My FIRST SEMI-COLD CALL . RESULTS...

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Hello Warriors,
Well this week I finally picked up the PHONE and called a local business.

I know that might be humerous to to you 'seasoned' IMer's, but to be honest , when I first looked into this business model (mobile, sms) it was presented in such a way that, emails, video presentations, Linkedin ect were more than adequate ways of getting enough business, without the dreaded "rather poke my eye out" cold calling.

I have realized about myself in doing this, I have a really short attention span and lack of focus....

I tried 120 direct letters - No response - doesn't work
15 really targeted letters with super nice images of before and after images of their website turned mobile - NO response - doesn't work

I don't really know what 'planet' I have been on, thinking I would only have to send out a few emails to get a result...
I think I made the mistake of bringing my past experience, (real etate) where I only had to talk to 2 prospects (who called ME!) and I always converted one!

So Wednesday I CALLED a local car dealer, I had been on his lot about a week ago, I told him I had just started a business, I was going to be talking to other car dealers, and I asked him for his help.

" would you mind if I sent you an example information video, similar to what I will be sending out, and just give me some feed back on it? this would really help me to get started and I would appreciate your professional opinion."

He said yes.
I made a 15 min video and highlighted his google places, showed his website on simulater, showed him a qr code and talked a bit about sms.

I did get an email back from him. FIRST ever response!!!
He said I had got his attention, he had some questions and would be calling next week.

So there you have it.
No sale but finally a response.

That was my success for the week....

Fight on Warriors.
Karen.
#call #results #semicold
  • Profile picture of the author infomaniacs
    That's great, it is nerve racking picking up the phone for the first few calls, I did telemarketing years ago. Once you get a rythym and start to sound confident, you will be surprised how many people will listen to you. Once you make a sale, this give you huge momentum to keep going.
    Good on you, and good luck for lots of sales.
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  • Profile picture of the author iAmNameLess
    Well you obviously have very very very low standards. Any marketing technique for client acquisition is something that needs to be tested more before saying it doesn't work.

    A call next week doesn't seem promising. Maybe if you called 100 more people then you would have a sale. A possibly, maybe, or talk next week is the same as a no to me.

    Direct mailing.. try 1,000. Emails? try 5,000. Linkedin? Build over 1,000 connections and maybe you'll get a sale but there is more to it than that. Cold calling... try 1,000 calls. PPC, a test campaign is usually 1,000 clicks.

    Good job on picking up the phone, but your view on marketing tactics is a bit skewed. Don't think that something doesn't work... you need an adequate testing period, and 10, 100, isn't enough.
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    • Profile picture of the author karensworld
      Originally Posted by iAmNameLess View Post

      Well you obviously have very very very low standards. Any marketing technique for client acquisition is something that needs to be tested more before saying it doesn't work.

      A call next week doesn't seem promising. Maybe if you called 100 more people then you would have a sale. A possibly, maybe, or talk next week is the same as a no to me.

      Direct mailing.. try 1,000. Emails? try 5,000. Linkedin? Build over 1,000 connections and maybe you'll get a sale but there is more to it than that. Cold calling... try 1,000 calls. PPC, a test campaign is usually 1,000 clicks.

      Good job on picking up the phone, but your view on marketing tactics is a bit skewed. Don't think that something doesn't work... you need an adequate testing period, and 10, 100, isn't enough.
      OUCH!!
      Thanks iamnameless, I respect your comments. Let me first say, I do not have "low standards' in regards to anything.
      In my post I was actually emphasising my sheer niavity in prospecting. When I said, "doesn't work" I did not mean that literally, I have totally grasped the fact that if I have not tested something 1000 times+ I have no basis. ( I was just giving my newbie mentality)
      I appreciate your input.
      Karen.
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      • Profile picture of the author mraffiliate
        The offline clients I currently have, have all been by referral. They are much easier to close. My clients give me feedback that they get bombarded by phone calls almost daily of people trying to sell them SEO services. These people are making promises that I know they can't produce but it is just for easy quick cash, but this is making it more difficult for those of us who do things whitehat.
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      • Profile picture of the author terip
        Originally Posted by karensworld View Post

        OUCH!!
        Thanks iamnameless, I respect your comments. Let me first say, I do not have "low standards' in regards to anything.
        In my post I was actually emphasising my sheer niavity in prospecting. When I said, "doesn't work" I did not mean that literally, I have totally grasped the fact that if I have not tested something 1000 times+ I have no basis. ( I was just giving my newbie mentality)
        I appreciate your input.
        Karen.
        That's OK. The first few phases when starting out marketing is usually the toughest ones to accomplish. I think a lot of people even have to sum up all the courage in the world before actually accomplishing speaking to a single prospect. Don't stop, you're on the right track! Good luck to your sales and marketing endeavors in the future.
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  • Profile picture of the author kenmichaels
    Originally Posted by karensworld View Post


    I tried 120 direct letters - No response - doesn't work
    15 really targeted letters with super nice images of before and after images of their website turned mobile - NO response - doesn't work
    This amount of testing, is not really a test.

    There is not enough data, to make any decisions.

    There is a saying in my industry, its "garbage in garbage out"
    while it usually refers to databases, i have found it equally applies to
    phone,email ... well darn near everything.
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  • Profile picture of the author rgrimes
    Hey Karen great job on getting your first contact, as you can see you are making progress in the right direction! It can be scary when you first get started, but just as anything in sales, its a numbers game... The more people you call and the more rejection you face, the closer you are to getting the result that you want! Keep trying until you achieve the results that you desire. Those that succeed are usually the ones who are willing to fail more than others. If you are trying local, try to set up appts.

    Hope that helps,
    Richard
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  • Originally Posted by karensworld View Post

    Hello Warriors,
    Well this week I finally picked up the PHONE and called a local business.

    I tried 120 direct letters - No response - doesn't work
    15 really targeted letters with super nice images of before and after images of their website turned mobile - NO response - doesn't work.......

    So Wednesday I CALLED a local car dealer, I had been on his lot about a week ago, I told him I had just started a business, I was going to be talking to other car dealers, and I asked him for his help.

    " would you mind if I sent you an example information video, similar to what I will be sending out, and just give me some feed back on it? this would really help me to get started and I would appreciate your professional opinion."

    He said yes.

    Karen.
    Nice job Karen!

    Now don't stop!

    You found a spark. Now do it over and over. Pour gasoline on it.
    Use the same line until it doesn't work. Ask for a favor, an opinion, etc as you did. But don't wait. Get back on the phone right away. Will it work the same every time? Of course not.

    What you found out by accident is a solid and proven prospecting technique. (Phone or in person) I have taught this to many over the years.

    If I ask you for a favor, after telling you my purpose and my purpose posed no threat to you, what would you say? Either Yes, or tell me what is it you want. Either way the door is now open.

    Yes testing needs to be done and yes your sample was not large enough. But think of this and do the math. It sounds like you picked up the phone "one" time and got a prospect. Not a sale yet but a prospect.

    You sent out 125+15 letters=135 attempts by "painless" mail. You are 1for 1 on the phone do I need to say more? Even if you were 1 for 100 on the phone it would be better than 1 for 135 for letters. (Remember all this is to put money in you pocket book right?)

    Now for a dirty little secret if you are average and I assume you are, the phone, using the approach you used, would probably yield at worst 1 for 20 in interested prospects. These are general figures I know but take it from someone who has done this. It will work.

    How bad do you want it and how fast?

    Go get em tiger! Pick that phone back up!

    Old Dog
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    P.S. If I can be of any assistance in your "Off" or "On"- line sales and marketing please PM me or email at WinnersChoice-Warrior@yahoo.com . Old Dog

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    • Profile picture of the author karensworld
      Originally Posted by Old Dog New Tricks View Post

      Nice job Karen!

      Now don't stop!

      You found a spark. Now do it over and over. Pour gasoline on it.
      Use the same line until it doesn't work. Ask for a favor, an opinion, etc as you did. But don't wait. Get back on the phone right away. Will it work the same every time? Of course not.

      What you found out by accident is a solid and proven prospecting technique. (Phone or in person) I have taught this to many over the years.

      If I ask you for a favor, after telling you my purpose and my purpose posed no threat to you, what would you say? Either Yes, or tell me what is it you want. Either way the door is now open.

      Yes testing needs to be done and yes your sample was not large enough. But think of this and do the math. It sounds like you picked up the phone "one" time and got a prospect. Not a sale yet but a prospect.

      You sent out 125+15 letters=135 attempts by "painless" mail. You are 1for 1 on the phone do I need to say more? Even if you were 1 for 100 on the phone it would be better than 1 for 135 for letters. (Remember all this is to put money in you pocket book right?)

      Now for a dirty little secret if you are average and I assume you are, the phone, using the approach you used, would probably yield at worst 1 for 20 in interested prospects. These are general figures I know but take it from someone who has done this. It will work.

      How bad do you want it and how fast?

      Go get em tiger! Pick that phone back up!

      Old Dog
      Hi Old Dog,
      thanks so much for your response.
      I did feel fine about the call and if it turns into something I will feel great.
      However, If I keep using the same approach, I know it will not be a genuine call, but rather a "hook" to get a prospect.

      I an not sure that that is my style?
      This is a lot harder than I thought it would be.

      I appreciate your advice very much!!

      Karen.
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      • Originally Posted by karensworld View Post

        Hi Old Dog,
        thanks so much for your response.
        I did feel fine about the call and if it turns into something I will feel great.
        However, If I keep using the same approach, I know it will not be a genuine call, but rather a "hook" to get a prospect.

        I an not sure that that is my style?
        This is a lot harder than I thought it would be.

        I appreciate your advice very much!!

        Karen.
        I hate words like "hook" and "pitch" and always told those I trained we use "sales techniques" and make "sales presentations" somehow telling your self this helps improve your self image.

        It is all psychological that's a fact but in sales and marketing our perception of what we do really helps relieve stress and tension. We are all human and all have the same natural fears.

        I teach heavily into sales psychology and know that we have to deal with certain issues that make up our unique psyche. If we are to have success we need to understand these issues and work on overcoming those things that hold us back.

        Asking for assistance or a favor is a genuine sales technique and it is a proper thing to do if you are sincere. If I have a product or service that will honestly help a client or customer improve their business or well being in any way I always say I haven't done them a favor unless they have that service or product that I offer.

        If what you offer will not potentially help the customer then the sales person is a charlatan if they convince them to purchase. No if the customer doesn't end up using the service or product to their benefit there is nothing you can do about it and you have nothing to feel ashamed about. You and your customer are both creatures with free will.

        (Remember some things are vanity items people want. If you have a good product to fill that vanity with, you are doing them a service by providing that vanity to them also. You can't judge or determine what their vanities are either. If someone wants or desires snow who lives at the North Pole and you have some, sell it to them. If they don't need or want snow don't sell it to them just because you are a hypnotic sales person. That's being a charlatan.)

        When I realized one day that I could sell and close well and I could very easily sell customers things that had no value to them I struggled with that. I could talk money right out of their pocket. So I make sure that what I sell is an honest product or service that will help those I approach to sell to. Then to reiterate, I haven't done them a favor telling them about it but only if they possess it.

        Think about it Karen I hope I've made some sense to you and that what I've said may have helped you. If I can help you further please feel free to contact me as my signature says.

        You can do it!

        Old Dog

        P.S. I only really talked about the sellers psychology. There is as much or more psychology in dealing with the buyer. Something for another day.
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        P.S. If I can be of any assistance in your "Off" or "On"- line sales and marketing please PM me or email at WinnersChoice-Warrior@yahoo.com . Old Dog

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  • Profile picture of the author SallyJo
    +1 behind Old Dog for cheering you on!

    Have you ever sat down with a yellow page book or a ValPak or even a map of your town and figured out how many merchants you know... and how many know you in a favorable, friendly light?

    Make a list and think of the things you have to offer them that will help *them* make more money or serve their clients/customers better.

    Then make your calls... if you're too chicken to walk in to a place to track down the owner/decision maker. At least set a time over the phone that you can pop in and show them something when you're going to be "in the area" "doing ______".

    For me, I always tell them that I just need 5-10 minutes. (but I book off at least 30 for the visit) I keep looking at the clock to let them know that I gotta be somewhere else... and this helps keep me from giving marathon spiels that only turn counter-productive.

    In sales.... remember... each contact (phone, visit, next phone call, whatever) is just to get you to the NEXT STEP ... once you get a feel for this, it really works.

    Ya did great. Ya got out of your comfort zone.

    Now rinse and repeat!
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  • Profile picture of the author Jgregory
    Originally Posted by karensworld View Post

    Hello Warriors,

    I tried 120 direct letters - No response - doesn't work
    15 really targeted letters with super nice images of before and after images of their website turned mobile - NO response - doesn't work
    Firstly, congratulations on your success, Karen. Keep it up and follow with more action while your success fuels that enthusiasm.

    I have to agree with the other posts here, you are drawing conclusions (doesn't work) based on faulty reasoning. I don't want to generalize without seeing your mailing pieces, but your statistical universe was not clearly defined, no control for testing, and not really enough numbers.

    I would like to ask... Did you make proactive followup PHONE calls to those 15 really targeted letters with super nice images? Did you followup the next day by calling them. The phone is truly your friend. "Mary Jones, with XYZ, I'm following up on that report/sample/dvd I sent on Tuesday."

    I sure hope you did make followup calls. You were half-way there using a proven marketing technique known as Lead Generation. This is systemizing your prospecting with lead generation techniques. Traditionally, B2B marketing departments are tasked with creating "leads" and hand them off to the sales department.

    For small time operators, a lead generation system helps many overcome the fear of "cold call prospecting". You had created a targeted list, and sent them a custom personalized message, so calling them on the phone is easy... and what many define as warm calling. "Mary Jones with XYZ following up on that report/sample/letter I sent Mr Gregory on Tuesday." Makes it a lot easier for new marketers to pick up the phone and make the call. Also makes it easier to get to decision makers on a first phone call. And in the real world of B2B, you would very likely make several more followup calls over time to those very same 15 prospects.

    But make no mistake about it... you will be picking up the phone, or going to see them for face time. Whether you call cold from a list, or warm them up with email or direct mail. The phone is actually your friend. The phone is a tool... its a very effective time-saver versus driving out and randomly dropping by cold businesses.

    There really is no a debate about "calling your prospects", its just a question of when and how you do it. Use lead generation to qualify your list... and make followup sales calls, or you can just cold call selling straight to the list. That decision is pretty much down to your skills and personality. Just decide which club you want to join.

    The phone is a communication tool. In the business community, sales are begun or closed on the phone all the time. You will either phone them or go see them. Using the phone scares about 95% of all marketers, however, in my experience it can't be avoided, and once your mindset gets wrapped around the idea that telephones are business tools... deals are made over the phone every day... you won't have the fear.

    The bigger question on prospecting by cold calling a list over the phone is the time element. Takes some serious time to plow through the 100 numbers to get down to the 1,2, or 3 interested qualified prospects in that 100. Even with auto dialers, it's a lot of time. You can hire others to do that prospecting for you, because the other reality is you will go way beyond 100 calls.

    On the other hand, marketing with targeted, personalized direct mail, or lumpy mail, or single personal emails sent on a business-to-business level are also standard marketing tools for prospecting, just like cold calling with the phone. Direct marketing for prospecting is used by all types and sizes of businesses And these simple tools can save a lot time for small time operators as part of your system.

    Or you can hire telemarketers for doing your lead generation with cold calling. Which in my vocabulary is different than Tele-Sales cold calling. Telemarketers traditionally make phone calls to a list using a carefully crafted script to gauge "Interest". Their goal is a lead, not a sale. A Lead is where someone has raised their hand and says, "I'm interested." Tele-sales involves skilled sales people using the phone for the whole enchilada from prospecting to qualifying to closing the deal over the phone. Anyways, the words telemarketer or tele-sales... its just vocabulary; the point is whether you want to do all your own prospecting/selling at one go, or systemize your lead generation with another person calling.. or letting the USPS helping you find interested prospects and qualified leads.

    With a lead generation system, the leads that your telemarketers produce, you will do followup phone Calls. And most B2B marketers will tell you that B2B selling takes several followup calls after that first one. Often called "touches" because you can "touch" the prospects with emails, letters, and with phone calls during the sales process to get you to closing. These are all just tools. It's you and your message that makes the cash register ring.

    Anyways, congrats again on your success...

    Personal contact with your prospects is unavoidable. In the real world of B2B you have to go out and get them. First, create a highly targeted list using segmenting and psychographic profiling. Then... phone them, mail them, these are all missionary tools for prospecting amongst the suspects sifting for Leads, whether you are a one call closer, or you are using the USPS or hiring telemarketers to do prospecting/qualifying with you making followup calls. And many products/services, do require face time. If you're local, go and see them. But if you have the sales skills and the right business model... the reality is, you can close any of them over the phone. If you're good enough.

    Best Regards,
    Jan Gregory

    P.S. I might add that quite of few of my clients who hated cold calling developed a new respect for their phone skills with some practice. We setup some small lead generation systems sending to extremely targeted lists... using personalized direct mail. The client religiously did a minimum of 7 followup phone calls to the entire list. Resulting in very high conversion metric to sales. With all that phone work, they soon had a different mindset about calling local business owners. It's like riding a bicycle or a horse... takes some time in the saddle to get used to it.
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    • Profile picture of the author karensworld
      Hello Jgregory,
      thank you so much for your thorough and detailed response. You make a great deal of sense and obviously have the experience to back it up...

      thanks.
      Karen.
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      • Profile picture of the author Jgregory
        Originally Posted by karensworld View Post

        Hello Jgregory,
        thank you so much for your thorough and detailed response. You make a great deal of sense and obviously have the experience to back it up...

        thanks.
        Karen.
        Absolutely, you are very welcome, Karen. I try to do a proper job with my advice and help here... especially for those new at the game who stand to really benefit from long experience. So I surely do appreciate your making a separate post do these thank you's for those here who contributed time and effort.

        You've got exactly the right attitude to become a local marketing expert in your area. that's what I recommend over selling services... you can be the marketing department they can't afford and provide a basket of services to solve the problems. You are the outsourced marketing expert at a lower price than a new employee. It's all about positioning your message.

        Your opportunity to position yourself as the 'go to girl' for local business owners is huge. The major shift away from traditional local advertising media has created tidal waves of confusion... and genuine problem-solvers are welcomed by the local business owners.

        Regards,
        Jan
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  • Profile picture of the author sonix
    To tell you the truth, phone is by far the most effective method for getting clients. Alot of people will try any other method imaginable just because they are scared of cold calling. If you are comfortable doing that, then you are a step ahead of most!
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  • Profile picture of the author jRad
    Awesome! I cold called a few companies on the weekend for my website services, and got a few leads! Keep cold-calling.. as long as you tell them your credentials and purpose, and tell them you can show them a demo, they're in!
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