No Reports..-$8 million dollar telemarketing business-3000% returns.

Anyone who has been here for a few years is watching this interaction and knows the score... Its your first, but our MILLIONTH...

Edit: Since this guy edited his op to makes himself a victim, and that big bad John ruined his beautiful intentions to share FREELY and unabashedly with everyone...(roll eyes), then I guess I need to add this note.

In the end of this thread you can plainly see that this mans intention was not to give...if it were he wouldnt be whining about other warriors and he would still be giving it away in either this thread or another. No one is going to say anything bad about you giving away a free report...just for scamming and not being upfront with your intentions, or giving the forum its dues.

For a minute I thought he had proved himself and gave him props, but in the END, he proved me right.
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In the end he played on the victim thing and used it as an excuse to snatch back the report that he never wanted to give away in the first place except to those with big lists

If you csan look past the war vibe and see the turht, that is what happened.

Call him a victim, but the proof is in the pudding, not the "whining", in the end, he pulled the report. I have free reports around here that have been on the forum for 2 years or... thats because I want to give a free report to everyone- NOT JUST PLUG FOR JVS AND REVIEWS under the giving guise.. I have no regrets about slamming this man. I almost did regret it for a minute, but he came back and proved me right. If he wanted to list it, it would be listed on another thread right now.

Back to the thread dialogue.

@ Newbiz

Just some advice from someone with a mailing list....you offered, I just responded and considered your offer out loud.

So lets see the blueprint...

Is it strong enough to still be sellable after a few thousand views and comments?

If so I want it, but if it cant be revealed publicly then, your intent is not to share, and it probably wouldnt stand up for 20 posts before it was dismantled by the other business people here.

You dont need me... thats the answer to the one question... but if you are smart you will "want" what I know.

You're. showing your "rookie-ness" here... lol

Guess I'll read through the rest of the thread. I'm a little
bored right now and this has the potential to be very entertaining!

Yeah if there is any grey it wouldnt stand past ten posts on a WF thread. Better decision to introduce privately.

Good luck with it. Looking forward to Toms review.

Okay this was fun... cya guys.

nope they use borrowed credibility... I can't send any pms till I have 50 posts, so I'm going to go try to help out 15 threads, and I will be able to reply soon. Thanks guys.

Piece of advice young warrior, Show more respect to veteran warriors. You wont get far.

Ha, ha, ha, here's a post you can respond to should you elect. It'll get your count up. BTW, be careful what you wish for, you just may get it

Tom

Let me know if you didn't get the report rnjonjo. if not just resend me a private message again..

...This report is on how companies are making money with this system. It's still work, if you haven't been in a phone room, or sales then this info is worthless.

I reviewed Adam's system.

Adam's system will make big money. As he mentioned, it's gray hat but can easily be tweaked to be a straight arrow to a great business. There's a saying that "the middle man makes the money". This is an example of that.

The big advantage, besides the large cash flow that is possible, is that the business will grow quickly, increasing employees and revenue.

Tweak and reap.

Michael Bucker
HyperActive Warrior
War Room Member


Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Conway Arkansas
Posts: 332
Thanks: 107
Thanked 160 Times in 103 Posts

Oops, Arkansas is AR and not AK - my bad...

No problem, thanks for sending it to me. Some warriors will take it and run with it, big time.

I would like a copy of your report.

In my opinion some people are just getting high on they own supply. For Christ sakes, you've offered to give away the report completely free. Someone mentioned something about a successful track record there's only one way to get a track record. You need to do something - like giveaway free reports LOL. It can be very intimidating for a Newbie to come out in public.

Cut this guy some slack and leave him alone. We should want as many people as possible contributing valuable information. And theres only one way that we will know whether this information is valuable or not.

If they don't want a report, they don't need to request a copy, no one is forcing them to do anything.

pm me a copy also please.

thanks.

Yeah if there is any grey it wouldn't stand past ten posts on a WF thread. Better decision to introduce privately.

Every needs to cut this guy a break.

The report is straight forward, and legitimate and it's free and it requires no opt in hahaha.

As far as if it will actually make you money, I don't know I havn't tried it and I never will because I'm doing other things.

But It seems like it will and if you have time there is no harm in giving it a try.


The ONLY THING wrong is that he didn't just release it to everyone so we can have a discussion about it. Because now not everyone knows what it's about and we can't discuss it without posting the whole thing so everyone is on the same page.

Okay, now you need to shut up!

Scam and Nigeria? Damn you guys just think EVERY Nigerian is a scammer, right? I have shared useful information here (check my posts) and have helped many too get their start in offline consulting (Rick Mollema in Holland is one and a member here too).

I am just sick of people like you who lump people together and give them all a bad name.

You are from the USA, a country that has a high rate of murders, rapes, and divorces and what not. Last time I checked, I've NEVER blindly called all Americans murderers, rapists and dysfunctional people. You got problems the same way Nigerians do.

Down here, we try real hard to out the bad eggs and I have outed many myself.

Give those of us who want to make a change and do positive stuff some breathing space to do that.

Why are you relying on John for feedback? Read the report and form your own opinion. John knows what he knows and you know what you know.

You both have different experiences and biases. What works for him may not work for you and vice-versa.

Have some confidence in your own opinion. It really is valuable...especially to your life and your business.

I dont have time for it, working the Bower plan... this guy came here to give a loss leader and opt some people in... not "Give free info" but that will show itself in time, you'll remember who told you first.

I dont doubt its a good report, have no reason to. Just questioning his method for Milking the forum.

Here is MY perspective:

Allen Says (the owner) gives us a playground here.

What we COULD do is appreciate it and create some valuable content in it that will draw some more people from the search engines for the Warrior Forum, in exchange for the privilege of playing here...

But what SOME do...is come and suck people out of the forum into opt in lists, without giving the owner of WF even a "nod".

That aint cool.

If you are going direct traffic out of his forum then put some content here to help him get some too.

Its about principle.

Argue with anything you want, but you cant argue with that.

If you come here to steal a few cvistors, get a few opt ins, make a few dollars- you are stepping over a ham to pick up a hot dog!

There is alot of value that can be gained from coming in here, being a contributor and helping the forum and getting people in your own network the LEGIT professional way, through sharing content and letting THEM decide to click your link- not ASKING them to.

I have never asked a single person to opt in. Its the warrior way. As a warrior puyrist I believe that the proper way is to let your content draw people- not solicit.

Do I think everyone should follow that?

I think that anyone who doesnt "cant". Because who would lower themselves to ask for a thanks or an opt in... if they could do it the right way?

He isnt giving, he's sucking traffic and opt ins on Allens account, and as a faithful warrior, yeah that offends me.

Im out.

I fished hi8m out like Paul says too and he admitted it "Its grey". Too many people would jump that so it has to be shared in private.

If an idea cant stand up to Warrior scrutiny on a thread LIVE and still come out on top it isnt worth reading to me, there are reasons its kept in the shadows usual;y.
Anyway, regardless of the report- this approach is highly inconsiderate of the owner of this forum and its contributing members...

Doesnt matter, marketers like this will be a flash in the pan and we wont even remember their handle 3 months from now.

If they arent good enough to draw with their content alone...then they dont have what it takes for the long haul.

I promise that my post wasn't meant to be insulting. Its just I, and many others, have been on the offline forum for awhile and have never heard of you.

I'm really happy you are doing good, I seriously mean that keep it up. However, there are TONS of ways to make money and you are parading yourself as an amazing person insulting a respected member and then are wondering why people are not buying into you.

My post was meant to show you that you have no reputation here. I say again why should I listen to you? Why? You have no proof....

There could be many reasons you are trying to post a "blueprint" for free in this forum:
1. increase a post count to look better
2. increase your "thank" count
3. Promote your WSO by trying to get people with a list (I have a list and this screams of something i would never promote)

Again, I'm not trying to be rude just pointing out that your "good will" is more of a marketing tactic that has been used here before.

I'm glad your report is getting good reviews keep up the good work let me know when some gets results that you don't mind sharing to a forum.

I don't need to see any report. Your title says it all and your reviews don't sound too convincing either.

Mods should close this thread.

Adam am waiting for this awesome report, I will come back with unbiased review

cheers mate

Well, I've got to chime in again. Adam has put out a report that is spot on.

How do I know?

I used to do it for my own radio shows. Get that, I've physically done it.

It works.

Read it b4 you tell the guy he is full of s*** and a scammer. He ain't.

He gives you a blueprint for making some serious money if you are willing to work. Yep, you're gonna have to work. That will eliminate 50% of this crowd. They are still waiting for the WSO that tells them how not to do anything and make a million a day.

Oh yeah, cold calls. You'll have to do that too. If you are timid or don't like cold calls or as some have said are terrified of cold calls, move on to a different thread and slam those posters.

This report talks about PSA type advertising. If you don't know what that is, oh well, read the report and learn. If you can't figure it out, call one of your local media groups and ask them. Believe me when I say they will be happy to explain it to you.

After I got his report I called one of our media groups to get their pricing. Holy cow batdog, they are so freakin cheap I almost jumped out of my chair. So the markups he is talking about are spot on as well.

Why is this important? Because his profit margins aren't exaggerated.

I am not making this post to defend Adam. That's up to him to do. I am making this post to tell you disbelievers to suspend your disbelief and get the damned report.

I also don't know if John will reply given his schedule. I hope he does as I'd like to hear his take too. Regardless, if the report is still available, get a copy.

Remember, I walked the walk and talked the talk in two cities. Wish I had been smart enough to write this type of report. I probably would have sold it as a WSO for $27.

In fact, since I still have my old report on how to become a media star, I might do exactly that. Hell, you'd pay $27 to learn how to become a media star in your area and get paid for being a star, right?

Have a great day,

Tom

I am interested.

if your building a list, I have no problem with that.

I completely agree with you, Rich. This report is awesome and can be easily implemented. I recommended that Adam DOES put it out as a WSO; it's much higher quality than some WSOs I've seen, for sure. And it's quite helpful for folks who really want to learn new methods of making money.

There's no reason for the mods to close this thread or whatever it was that was stated on this thread earlier. Adam's report is top quality and very do-able.

Adam, I'd be interested in reviewing the report if you would be kind enough to let me have a copy, Mick.

My names on almost every post lol. I'm sending you the report now.

No offense, but are you a sheep? Do you have to wait on Johns review before even beginning to attempt to read something for yourself?

This information is for free. Request it, read it and make your OWN mind up. This isn't a childs forum, surely you can take the initiative to do something for yourself instead of throwing around worthless assumptions.

Maybe John is busy. Making money perhaps. Maybe with his family. Drawing a conclusion like you did there, was mindless.

I am interested in reading your report as well. I have experience in sales and high ticket phone sales and am very intrigued by the positive comments regarding your report. Thanks a head of time

Would appreciate a review copy as well

Abul

WOW, this thread is turning into something better than Wednesday's re-launch of Dallas!!!!

Anyway, putting all the drama aside, I would really appreciate taking a look at the report....

Hang in there.

KJ.

really? I have not gotten it yet. I just thought I was one of the ones that did not make the cut (those that are "chosen" to receive the report) and that's why I did not get it.

Does everyone know what the experts know? I just don't understand totally pointless comments like that. I'm going to send everyone the report, but I do ask you to do me a favor and reply on the thread with comments. If I care enough to share, please return the favor.



-Adam[/QUOTE]

I would love to take a review copy if there are still some left :rolleyes:
Thank you
novapolzelanka(a)gmail.com

Then your good to go. looks like peoople really appreciated what you did.
I still think you should do my suggestion, but that just me...
to each there own.

btw, i am glad everyone says your on the up and up...
lot of really respected warriors gave you a thumbs up...
that's worth its weight in gold... try not to squander it.

Good report, straight up info....not sure I would do it but there are some details that might be applied elsewhere...

Cheers!

C

It means if you are a negative person, who has narrow vision, are always pessimistic, your glass is always half empty, your no fun to be around, then you better have the ability to turn all that off and put on a friendly, happy, optimistic act while on the phone. Or hire someone who IS positive and outgoing to be on the phone.

You didn't read the first sentence of the OP's thread when you said he "admitted he lied". Go back and read it again and this time pay attention before spouting off stupidity.

I'd greatly appreciate the chance to read your report. I'll leave my honest feedback in the thread. Please pm it to me.

Thank you

I would really like to see the report also. thanks.

Hi Adam,

Thanks for sharing this document. I'd love to also get a copy.

I want to learn from anybody I can learn from, unlike some people I know on here.

Thanks,

Ron.

Adam,

It sounds interesting. I have a call center for various products/services. I wouldn't mind receiving a review copy. I promise to post an honest review here.

Thanks,

Clifton

BTW, until someone TAKES ACTION and proves that Adam's system doesn't work, shut up! People spend way too much time criticizing and not enough time taking massive action! Those, I can bet, are the ones not making the type of money they wish.

Me, back out?

Lol thats too funny, no I dont back down...it just isnt worth it, you arent going to last long enough under this username for me to pursue it...

Trust me, if I back down its because I want to , not because I dont think I could debate you to the point where you want to change your username again...

You are trying to distract from my point which is:

If Allen Says gives you the privilege of marketing here, dont you think it would be considerate to put up some content and help him draw some visitors instead of just sucking people off the threads into an opt in list?

To me, the mere fact that you wouldnt even consider what you offered back to the forum in exchange for these opt in shows alot of character and speaks volumes...

But Hey make your quick buck and trade a dollar for a dime.

Again Im out. No you dont intimidate me, I know its hard to hear, but you simply dont have enough substance here for it to be worth my time, you have already sucked enough traffic off the fact that I even posted here at all... its the Vampire thing.

Smells like one, looks like one, probably is one.

Say what you want after I leave... if you are here six months from now, maybe we can talk like we are on the same level...right now you are anonymous and might as well be a bot to me for all you have contributed to the forum.

This aint the first time we saw a guy suck people out with a loss leader. and say "cant you see Im giving?".

Not too original.

A vampire thinks Im arrogant.... Im sad.

I am not knocking your free report and I hope that John simply leaves this thread alone. He tends to take challenges such as yours when he has the time however he in no way needs to defend himself. His numbers speak for themselves. His time is much better spent creating then fending off someone who does not like his comments........

He did do you favor tho, by even commenting on your thread he brought a lot of traffic to it. I would thank him for that .

The thanks is because more likely than not about half of more of you views came because they saw John commented on your page.

Now as a trainer. I give anyone kuddos for helping others. It is the whole reason I became a trainer. Id just say dont worry about negative comments, just earn your stripes and move on.

http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...ml#post6224795

Loyalty? Are you serious? Now you drag Paul and Allen in to help defend you? I think not.

If you want to play in the deep water John, I'm here. Leave this kid alone.

I'm sure Allen is so happy that he needs you to defend his forum. I think not.

If the biggest crime this kid commits is giving away a Free report that we may have to opt-in for, then God help us all.

Now go back to your telemarketing forum and start working on your own Bower 2.0 method and make some money.

First of all, I thought you were being very helpful when you made this thread. John came in immediately without reading your PDF and was sarcastic and rude.

He just flamed me in a few threads telling me I was wrong. I have shoes older than him and he's telling me to get Experience.

John likes to brag a lot at how smart he is but doesn't follow his own advice or his own WSOs. I appreciate the effort you put forward. If you still want to offer that report I'd love to see it and I'll give you honest feedback. Thanks.

Weak and ignorant comments. Ignorant meaning lack of knowledge. Stick with thread subject and maybe teach a little. Teach within your thread not just in your report that is what john was saying, that's what I'd like to see. Teach us something. Produce some content within the thread and let's turn it around. Make it a thread with twice as many positive comments by addding content. Edit the main post and add some of your matierial.

It didn't have to be that way.

Hey now rolltide, I have never met another person who is more like a nagging woman... that wasnt a very nice comment about someone who just wrote you a $500 pitch for free...

Alright Im out...newbiz got a prop, he feels good.


No its like a Warrior who is going to be around for twenty more years teaching you how to do it right...and correcting you for doing it in bad form.

Well Newbiz sent you a pm, love to opt in and give it a good read. Know a really good dude here in Lex that does a ton of telemarketing. Let me know if I can give it a good thorough examination.

Not at all warrior, just saying lets make this a info thread and start out with some info. Just as you did ealier on another thread. You made some actual points in which I gave kuddos and added to.

Yep, your report definitely has tons of value. I would have joint ventured with someone (who had more clout than me) to do a WSO if it was me because it would have made money. You did not and commend you for that. However, I would not have faulted you for selling it either. It has more value than many of the WSO's out there. Some of those people who said negative things are also the ones that would have maybe bought it as a WSO and not said a bad thing after buying it.

Yes, the way you wrote your initial original post maybe seemed a little sneaky but it is all water under the bridge..no big deal at all in my book. It is funny, how that most probably viewed the initial original post to be a little sneaky but those same people including me seeing this offered in a WSO would not have seen it as underhanded at all....especially after purchasing it.
Anyway, very good info you offered...and very interesting. I thank you for sharing it.

Can you PM the link to the report? I'd like to see what all the fuss is about? Has the FBI or CIA been called in to investigate this free give away?

No offence intended Liindsay, but I think you should be a little more polite and stop bashing and calling names.

In forums, this is NOT deemed as either being professional or legitimate.

What you are doing is called FLAMING and it is not allowed.

Did you read the report?

Probably not.

EVERY Poster has the right to require a certain amount of "credibility" if they choose to give something away.

I just don't get it.

While I didn't come in here on the first day of this thread, I see that the OP has stated several times, he DID NOT require any opt ins to see the report - just that you have a certain number of posts or that you've at least "given back".

What's wrong with that?

Perhaps the first post seemed a little shady... but people - give the benefit of the doubt and read the report before you bash.

I totally understand if he was demanding an opt in (which is against the rules on any of the free threads anyway) - but he isn't.

A PM is NOT an opt in. It's a private message.

This is honestly why I DON'T come into this forum every single day typically, because it's SOOO unproductive when crap like this occurs.

To the OP: Yes, maybe things weren't done 100% correct at the start. You've learned from it - That's what we ALL did when we started on the WF or any other forum.

It's called learning for a reason.

Every one of you who has bashed (without reading the report), forgets that YOU were once a "newbie" here.

Some of us have been on this forum since just about day 1 - the rules have changed many times over the years, but it's still basic etiquette - and that includes how you reply to the OP.

Back to the OP, and for anyone else who cares...

I thought the report was excellent actually. Not something I would do as it is, (I'm already focused on a major project and have no desire to be distracted)... HOWEVER, it did spur my mind how it could be twisted or changed to work in other ways. But even without a twist, I thought it was a heck of a lot better than many MANY wso's I've bought and never remarked on (because they were crap).

The other day someone released a WSO about groupon (in a roundabout way) - the grammar / english was so horrible I nearly went crosseyed by page 8 - and the info only started on page 6 after all the "intros" and legal jargon! And then, 99% of it was NOT new to me, (ignoring alone the grammar/english), it was like a rehash of all news articles and other WSO's that have already been out there, and it was like 80 pages long. Utter trash.

But, that was my opinion, and I kept it to myself, because while *I* might have the knowledge, others might not.

My point being: This "post" (since its not a WSO) - went WAYYYYY beyond, excellent grammar/English, and very straightforward.

Includes call script and everything.

Eesh.

If you don't want to read it - DO NOT POST any bashes, because honestly, you don't qualify to, and I think that anyone who posts like that, everyone else should ignore. (And no, I'm not bashing John in any way - but I think it's only fair that the document is read before the OP is labeled or even implied as a scammer - that's at ALL those who made implied or blatant remarks).

Now that I've wasted enough time here - I'm going to go back to work and get some calls done myself.

Amber

Well ...

Thank you newbizideas312 for the report.It is very interesting.

I am from Europa and i wonder would it work here

All the best

I liked this report and am racking my brain to figure out some other services or products that could be plugged into this equation for similar results..

Cheers!

Chris

Sorry bro... I realized how insane it was last night. Old school people were hardcore, thats why I use to lurk alot...they would smack you down first and ask questions later... but also part of that needs to change just a little....because new people come here and they need to see us in a better light. Sorry man. Maybe you can slam me back later, we can both take it and still come out ok it appears.

Ps. In your case, maybe even for the better.

I read over John's posts, and again, don't see anything he did wrong.

I also disagree with John's "peers".

Unless his peers are saying John could have asked questions in a better presentation, like a Detective Friday, without extra embellishments of his opinion, maybe.

But in this age of frauds and scams, one trick ponies and quick buck artists, his type questioning is definitely needed, in fact, sorely needed.

That's why they put 6'10" , 360 lbs. of pure solid muscled bodyguards at the entrance of an establishment; they want to send a message ahead of time that nonsense will not be tolerated and that these guys "specialize" in extricating those who "specialize" in nonsense.

And besides, he is one of the few Warriors who deserves latitude because of his experience, what he brings to the table, the money he made himself and countless others, workable and working content put in posts, integrity and overall old school forum "ways" and reputation.

He has earned that right; many, many of us have not.

Unless his "peers" want to "Tony Robbins" this forum and make it more mainstream friendly to attract more potential income, which the "old school" forum/community cared NOTHING about.

I've seen other forums where they either pussy-foot around and/or totally destroy all non-natives or have unbalanced nepotism because of products they and the community are pushing and the close knit members/forum support of said product/services.

There are two main reasons people come to this forum: to make money and/or to find credible information.

The problem is the old Warrior forum had a concentration of members that were more the latter, and now, we are getting an abundance of the former at some expense.

I don't want this forum to turn into mainstream friendly or extremely unfriendly and closed minded....,

I also don't want a "Tony Robbins" overly friendly, Chicken Soup for the Soul type forum where everything is "n-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-c-e".

I want real, experienced people, detective questioning people, asking real questions, asking the right questions, with real emotions.., with people having a FULL, healthy FEAR of getting put through the grinder, steal jack-boots ready, if they come lame and come weak without REAL contribution that can be tasted , measured and is tangible in the real world.

Also, in the old school forum, "theories"...,NOTHING wrong with theories and creativity; most of the theories were expanded off of something that is currently working or worked, and it was a serious discussion to actually put a more simple system together, using the most powerful elements of said system, using other members to assist in assembling a model to actually "test" said theory, make it low cost set up and doable by the average guy with all the benefits of the previous model ,and this brain trust was usually from experienced marketers.

Part of the frauds and scams is from people who make products/courses who NEVER actually done it at all, nor tested what they are instructing others to do. One of the "gluts" of internet marketing. And other business opportunities like Real Estate..., a glut of people telling others of something they NEVER did themselves, their success was in selling product and selling the dream of something they have not done themselves.

I would simply like a designated 6'10" 360 lb., Airbourne trained, 23rd degree Black belted Gorilla with muscles of iron at the entrance that nip potential nonsense, theory, frauds and scams before they ever get traction.

John has earned that right.


The 13th Warrior

Don't know what this means, which means most points were lost, but ok..,

How about all the people that loved the report assemble or talk over a scaled down model for testing, if that is possible?

Something doable and actionable , not in theory but fact for testing.

Any information can sound great and numbers add up, but what will a real world test show the numbers to actually be?

Yeah, sure, it depends on the talent doing the test and all that, but it still needs testing.


The 13th Warrior

Ah well John, it was just a way of showing my exasperation. In reality, I can't really lose what I don't have.

Jeez and I thought English was my first language :rolleyes:

With all due respect John, contribution is a subjective matter. I believe in qualitative contribution over quantitative banter, which makes up a lot of the post count for a lot of people. Influence on the other hand is different kettle of fish.

Anyway, my last post was to see if the report had gone on sale yet, as I'm sure is the OP's intention. The reviews so far seem good, so I am interested in buying a copy.

Abul