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12 years ago

Eloquent. Very eloquent.

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MonteMichaels

12 years ago

Sometimes that works. I wouldn't count on that very often. It's really not the most professional thing I've seen done.

<<If you are new to sales, I wouldn't use this kind of language ever>>

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by MonteMichaels

Sometimes that works. I wouldn't count on that very often. It's really not the most professional thing I've seen done.

<<If you are new to sales, I wouldn't use this kind of language ever>>

Totally agree with this. People will either love you or be highly offended by this sales strategy.

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MonteMichaels 12 years ago

Originally Posted by FitMarketer

Totally agree with this. People will either love you or be highly offended by this sales strategy.

More often than not people will be offended.
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  Originally Posted by MonteMichaels
  
  More often than not people will be offended.
  
  Bingo very few people can pull this off and those that do like Grant Cardone would never be so amateurish about it. Also if you have seen him live you will know that while he plays up the ego he is a good guy. He knows how to sell and he knows how to play the roll of course but he's a good guy. Though his ego and self promotion can get annoying at times I still love his work and hopefully next time I am at a conference he is at I can grab dinner with the group he is in.
  
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SalesNirvana

12 years ago

i agree its not a good strategy.
But when you talk to a man with balls
he wants you to have some aswell

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kenmichaels 12 years ago

Originally Posted by SalesNirvana

i agree its not a good strategy.
But when you talk to a man with balls
he wants you to have some aswell

That's true, but a better idea is to have balls without
using any sales taboos ... like religion, politics or curseing.

altho, in my experience, cursing among small business owners
is sometimes expected even encouraged by some owners.
But religion and politics... Best to always stay away from those.

Two guaranteed sales killers.
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SalesNirvana

12 years ago

you just dont get it. god .

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kenmichaels 12 years ago

Originally Posted by SalesNirvana

you just dont get it. god .

what did i miss? Is that post a joke?
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SalesNirvana

12 years ago

actual conversation.

dont know why i bother.

my point is one . Let go .Speak up .call the spade a spade.

if you cant dont go into sales.

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kenmichaels 12 years ago

Originally Posted by SalesNirvana

actual conversation.

dont know why i bother.

I am in sales, I LOVE talking about sales. That doesn't mean I agree
with every sales technique that comes down the pike.

I am sure you don't either.

And in case you missed it, I agreed with you, but for the sake
of the new to sales people, I mentioned talking politics
and or religion is just not a good idea.

Originally Posted by SalesNirvana

my point is one . Let go .Speak up .call the spade a spade.

So why didn't you just say that?

Originally Posted by SalesNirvana

if you cant dont go into sales.

Read my tag dude.
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- SalesNirvana 12 years ago
  
  i dont read anyones tag dude.
  
  ps: this aint no selling technique its me 24/7 , im happy the wife isnt .
  
  life is unfair
  
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  Originally Posted by SalesNirvana
  
  i dont read anyones tag dude.
  
  ps: this aint no selling technique its me 24/7 , im happy the wife isnt .
  
  life is unfair
  
  Everything in sales is technique. Even if you don't know it.
  
  I am out, I cant see this conversation going any where
  positive or interesting.
  
  Welcome to the forum.
  
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Huskerdarren

12 years ago

Sorry, but this post is pure nonsense.

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Andy Lemos

12 years ago

Courage is important but you can stand out and come off unique without profanity

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Jason_V

12 years ago

This is the worst post on sales I've ever read, let alone even heard about.

Good luck in sales, keep using "techniques" like this, you're going to need more than luck though.

The title to this thread should be:

"Check this BS if you like to make no sales"

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SalesNirvana

12 years ago

1.you people take yourselves too seriously....

2.ken mike dude chil it was a joke ...when i talk about the wife it always is

3.Now i know why i make sales , i have no competition

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vndnbrgj 12 years ago

Originally Posted by SalesNirvana

3.Now i know why i make sales , i have no competition

You don't have any competition because real sales people know how to qualify.
Meaning, they only go after those than can afford their services.

Plus, you don't come off as well mannered and well spoken.
So, you aren't on my level. Or most of the sales people on this forum.
You are on a level all your own..... when you are alone, you only compete against yourself.
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Claude Whitacre

12 years ago

Originally Posted by SalesNirvana

in a meeting

Customer: its too expencive.
Me . It is and it isnt. (shut the **** up now)
Customer : what do u mean?
Me: call the secretary to ask when is my next call.
Listen i dont have much time to BS people around , i dont low ball or nickel and dime people . So im gonna ask you straight up , are you nickel and diming me or you just think this service is shit?
Customer : I think the service is good but i dont have the money.
Me : Listen forget about the money tell me will it X do what you need to drive profits up
Customer : yea it looks good but i just cant afford it.
Me: 3 years ago ,my son who works at X bank told me dad buy gold . i didnt , was afraid , not sure i blame Obama , you vote for him.
Customer : Yes
Me: no one is perfect , im catholic.
Customer: (Laugh ) Turns out hes also catholic
Me:So are you gonna make my mistake? you gonna be scared pussy cat and in 3 years thinking **** that guy was right?

the end

It isn't the swearing.
It isn't the talking about religion.
It isn't that you mentioned politics
Although, those are incredibly stupid rookie mistakes.
It's that you absolutely missed the objection.
You were merely lucky. You had no answer. You only said a few crude things that by some quirk, didn't offend your prospect.

I'm sorry. You have heard from three expert salespeople. Two of us have sold millions of dollars in direct selling. You aren't selling. You are spitting.

I didn't know you could pack so many stupid mistakes in so few sentences.

If you came into my business and talked to me like that, I would laugh. You are too inept for me to get mad at you.

The worst thing is that you posted this nonsense thinking it would impress anyone but a child.
(added later; OK, that last sentence was a little over the top. But I meant it, so it stays)

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kenmichaels

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

It isn't the swearing.
It isn't the talking about religion.
It isn't that you mentioned politics
Although, those are incredibly stupid rookie mistakes.
It's that you absolutely missed the objection.
You were merely lucky. You had no answer. You only said a few crude things that by some quirk, didn't offend your prospect.

I'm sorry. You have heard from three expert salespeople. Two of us have sold millions of dollars in direct selling. You aren't selling. You are spitting.

I didn't know you could pack so many stupid mistakes in so few sentences.

If you came into my business and talked to me like that, I would laugh. You are too inept for me to get mad at you.

The worst thing is that you posted this nonsense thinking it would impress anyone but a child.

Harsh, but dead nuts accurate.

Unless he was trolling or joking ... Which maybe the case.

If he was I completely missed the joke.
But then again .. I miss a lot of punchlines, specially when
the joke is about something I am passionate about.
( call it a flaw, I wont argue )

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by kenmichaels

Harsh, but dead nuts accurate.

Unless he was trolling or joking ... Which maybe the case.

If he was I completely missed the joke.
But then again .. I miss a lot of punchlines, specially when
the joke is about something I am passionate about.
( call it a flaw, I wont argue )

It was harsh. It's not like he asked my opinion or anything.

I tend to think it was a joke. If it was, then it was too subtle coming from a newbie. One thing I can't do in selling is take a stupid statement and hang someone with it, although those thoughts race through my mind as I'm presenting. But here? I was going to let it go with a bit of sarcasm...but he threw a jab at two smart cookies.

I have a few unreasonable prejudices. One is salespeople that think they have skill and they are abysmal. It's an admitted prejudice. So, yeah..I was harsh.
My only regret is that he'll get mad now, and not learn anything.

This guy actually has a couple of intelligent posts. Oh well.

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KMalo

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

I have a few unreasonable prejudices. One is salespeople that think they have skill and they are abysmal. It's an admitted prejudice. So, yeah..I was harsh.
My only regret is that he'll get mad now, and not learn anything.

This guy actually has a couple of intelligent posts. Oh well.

That's amusing, what are they? Or do they relate to religion and politics?

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

It isn't the swearing.
It isn't the talking about religion.
It isn't that you mentioned politics
Although, those are incredibly stupid rookie mistakes.
It's that you absolutely missed the objection.
You were merely lucky. You had no answer. You only said a few crude things that by some quirk, didn't offend your prospect.

I'm sorry. You have heard from three expert salespeople. Two of us have sold millions of dollars in direct selling. You aren't selling. You are spitting.

I didn't know you could pack so many stupid mistakes in so few sentences.

If you came into my business and talked to me like that, I would laugh. You are too inept for me to get mad at you.

The worst thing is that you posted this nonsense thinking it would impress anyone but a child.
(added later; OK, that last sentence was a little over the top. But I meant it, so it stays)

I'm glad I stumbled onto this thread for this one post alone.

Absolutely bang on!

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Aaron Doud

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

It isn't the swearing.
It isn't the talking about religion.
It isn't that you mentioned politics
Although, those are incredibly stupid rookie mistakes.
It's that you absolutely missed the objection.
You were merely lucky. You had no answer. You only said a few crude things that by some quirk, didn't offend your prospect.

I'm sorry. You have heard from three expert salespeople. Two of us have sold millions of dollars in direct selling. You aren't selling. You are spitting.

I didn't know you could pack so many stupid mistakes in so few sentences.

If you came into my business and talked to me like that, I would laugh. You are too inept for me to get mad at you.

The worst thing is that you posted this nonsense thinking it would impress anyone but a child.
(added later; OK, that last sentence was a little over the top. But I meant it, so it stays)

I thanked this post yesterday but I have to comment on this. This is one of the best posts on this forum I have ever read. Yes in this case it is directed at the OP but change the wording and it could be directed at a lot of people.

This is what I like to call a mirror post. It reflects back on you and hopefully you see the good, to be able to repeat it, and the bad, so you know what to change, in yourself.

I think we all need a wake up call from time to time. We need to look in that mirror and be honest with ourselves. So look in the mirror and give yourself the speech before Claude has to do it for you.

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IMAnthony

12 years ago

Some time ago:
After buying some software called "PPV something" I received a call from a sales man asking if everything was ok.
Me- Yes, all is right.
He-Well, I just want to talk you about a wonderful oportunity to skyrock your profits.
Me- I am not interested, I just want to use the software and see how it goes.
He- Are you serious to make money??
Me- Yes, I am, but now I have not money to invest
He-It's not about the money, it's about an exclusive offer we are giving to some members only, and as a thank you for purchasing the "software" to make more money.
Me-Sounds great, but really I have no money to invest, thanks.
He-Let me ask you: Are You really SERIOUS about making money online? Because we only work with winners, and those who see to the future, you don't want to see how others within few moths are making thousands and you don't just because you are afraid.
Me-Sorry, I am not interested and I have no money. And if you call again, I'll ask a refund.

The end.

I don't know why, but the OP reminded me that bad experience. -And since that I never give my phone number- because I just coud not afford it, and really I was not interested in upgrading If I had not tested the software even.

It's true, how are you trying to sell anything to someone who has not money at all?
In spanish we call "lata" to someone who insist too much in something he can not afford.
Salesman sometimes can not afford some clients. And insisting too much on it, makes him a 'begger' or 'lata'.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by SalesNirvana

Me: call the secretary to ask when is my next call.
Listen i dont have much time to BS people around , i dont low ball or nickel and dime people . So im gonna ask you straight up , are you nickel and diming me or you just think this service is shit?

I don't have much time for BS either so I'll cut right to it.

Stop pretending to be something you are not.

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SalesNirvana

12 years ago

why is everyone so emotional?

listen just forget about it , i wanted to share what worked for me

which isnt a line or profanity , its an attitude

everyone is so emotional .

trying to prove you are right and what this means and that i am X and Y.

Its ok . just relax. Its just a different opinion.

nothing else

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MonteMichaels

12 years ago

Originally Posted by SalesNirvana

why is everyone so emotional?

listen just forget about it , i wanted to share what worked for me

which isnt a line or profanity , its an attitude

everyone is so emotional .

trying to prove you are right and what this means and that i am X and Y.

Its ok . just relax. Its just a different opinion.

nothing else

I get emotional because it's attitudes like yours that give salespeople the stereotypes I have had to overcome for years.

You may think it works for you, maybe sometimes it does, but I can tell you that more often than not it won't. You lose the sale, make it more difficult for the next person, then the "obnoxious salesperson" idea keeps flowing.

I've sold millions of dollars in insurance, autos, and my own services. I have sold every penny without one swear word.

I've spent thousands of dollars on sales training and other products to help me excel in what I do. I never remember Jay, Ari, Dan, or any others recommending swearing to win someone over.

Sales is not rocket science. Treat people how they want to be treated, and the ones that would like to be treated that way, I do NOT want as a client.

I'll pass on them so you can take care of them.

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vladkost

12 years ago

You sound like a salesperson that always has a better gig lol

Just because it worked once doesn't mean it works well or that you should offer it as advice... until it works consistently. The only reason you're being told off is so you don't waste people's time again by posting worhless garbage and having me click on it wasting my time.

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MonteMichaels

12 years ago

Worse than wasting my time would be a new guy coming in here thinking that
is a good idea to try. I worked with guys like that, they either learn its not the way, or they move on.

Even most of the arrogant boneheads I have worked with that treat other salespeople like dirt would use this type of language and treatment of their customers.

Originally Posted by vladkost

You sound like a salesperson that always has a better gig lol

Just because it worked once doesn't mean it works well or that you should offer it as advice... until it works consistently. The only reason you're being told off is so you don't waste people's time again by posting worhless garbage and having me click on it wasting my time.

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Underground

12 years ago

Pics or it didn't happen. Actually, no need for pics - it just didn't happen. Not in reality. You would have been laughed out, or just put in your place for being a complete tool.

As if you even have a secretary, lol.

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adam westrop

12 years ago

I laughed so hard at this "you gonna be scared pussy cat"

IF you did say that, I would of loved to see a video of that.... In fact if you actually do sales presentations like this, I think we should JV together - I'll film you in action and sell the videos to members on the offline forum.... We will make a mint!

I can't begin to imagine what other chestnuts you'll come out with.