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My site was deindexed by Google last week, I suspect that it was because of the latest Penguin update. I checked in webmaster tools and there was no message about it. I have a private blog network and it looks like all of those sites have been de-indexed too. Does anybody have any tips for resurrecting my money site such as take off all the links from the PBN pointing back to the money site?

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10 years ago

If you got de-indexed, and all of your PBN you were using was also de-indexed, I would dump the site and start with a new one.

That or I would start a new one while trying to recover the old one. Best bet is to remove as many links as you can and file a re-inclusion request.

Of course, if Google does accept the site back into the index, it probably is not going to be ranking for anything because you had to remove most of the best links to get it re-approved. That is why I would probably just not waste time messing with it and start over.
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Odds are any domain that files a reconsideration request with Google is going to be on their radar. Once a spammer, always a spammer.
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10 years ago

When some say deindexed they mean not ranked for SERPs they want/used to have, is this deindexed so none of your sites are literally indexed?

Do this Google search:

site:domain.tld

Finding nothing indexed (deindexed) is rare.

If pages are indexed, but not ranked that could be a penalty or could be you no longer warrant ranking.

Which it is determines what to do next. If you are deindenxed that's a major issue, you'd need to find and fix why Google found your sites so bad they removed them completely. You have to go whiter than white SEO and submit a reinclusion request.

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Originally Posted by SEO-Dave

So are you teaching the thread creator how to know a website is deindexed?

I think, the thread creator is more experienced than you, and he/she faced such problems thats why, asking for help...

If you have any tips to get out from the deindexing, please let us know....

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Well, deindex is the greatest loss to the webmaster, and I din't find any solution to this as of now, I faced same problems in 2011, due to one website, my all websites were deindexed and I had to shut down my business...

And the problem was duplicate content, automated content, unmoderated content etc...

I think, Google tracks my all the sites using my Adsense account..... as I was neither using GMT, nor GA.........

My advice is, from next time, each website should have its own capability to rank, there shouldn't be any foot-print so that Google will detect.....

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10 years ago

Originally Posted by Pdomain

WOW, I'm glad you are psychic and can read minds over the Internet.

Did you read what the OP said?

I have a private blog network and it looks like all of those sites have been de-indexed too.

It's highly unusual for an entire PBN to be deindexed all at the same time. Since it's really easy to check a domains deindexed with the site: search suggests the OP MIGHT be mixing up loosing rankings with deindexed.

He also said "no message about it" which I guess is referring to Webmaster Tools, this is again unusual for an entire PBN, you'd expect some messages from Google if they were deindexing an entire network

Suggests the OP has lost rankings rather than deindexed.

Be interesting to hear back from the OP?

There's huge difference. Deindexed is as bad as it gets and depending on what the OP did wrong could mean he has to start again.

It's really funny being attacked over and over again by clueless idiots on this forum.

Pdomain doesn't even know how to build a website correctly, his domain (in his sig) has a H1 header in the head section of the code!

Do you not even understand basic HTML? Did you think the H1 is a title tag or something like that?

Looks like you should go learn basic HTML before tackling SEO.

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Originally Posted by SEO-Dave

WOW, I'm glad you are psychic and can read minds over the Internet.

Did you read what the OP said?

It's highly unusual for an entire PBN to be deindexed all at the same time. Since it's really easy to check a domains deindexed with the site: search suggests the OP MIGHT be mixing up loosing rankings with deindexed.

He also said "no message about it" which I guess is referring to Webmaster Tools, this is again unusual for an entire PBN, you'd expect some messages from Google if they were deindexing an entire network

Suggests the OP has lost rankings rather than deindexed.

Be interesting to hear back from the OP?

There's huge difference. Deindexed is as bad as it gets and depending on what the OP did wrong could mean he has to start again.

It's really funny being attacked over and over again by clueless idiots on this forum.

Pdomain doesn't even know how to build a website correctly, his domain (in his sig) has a H1 header in the head section of the code!

Do you not even understand basic HTML? Did you think the H1 is a title tag or something like that?

Looks like you should go learn basic HTML before tackling SEO.

David

It will be your biggest foolishness, if you judge me by my signature... my signature is not intended for profit, and I don't receive any traffic from ILWX website, before this ILWX website, I was linking my domain name portfolio, I used this site to check how many visitors I get via my signature so that I can put any relevant site....

And with such attitude, understanding, over-smartness, you are not going to last for a long time in this forum..... it is better if you shut your mouth and concentrate on the topic....

I'm an idiot, I don't know HTML, and you know all the things........ lol..... who are you talking to?

While your threads/posts work to create funny joke that entertain Warrior forum members........ on of your post is related to

a link takes 9 months to show its fullest benefit... ....... really?

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10 years ago

Originally Posted by SEO-Dave

It's highly unusual for an entire PBN to be deindexed all at the same time.

That is not true at all. Once a domain in a private network is spotted, it usually is pretty easy to tie the rest of them together and de-index the whole thing. Especially the way many people create their private networks.

There is nothing unusual about that at all.

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10 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

I've noticed here lately from a rash of newly acquired contacts (penguin victims) just how easy it is to spot a network of sites that a company will use for back linking.

And I'm by no means a person trained to do that. Sometimes it's just so damn obvious though.

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Yep. That's why I started going towards building better networks a long time ago.

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Originally Posted by Pdomain

I think, the thread creator is more experienced than you, and he/she faced such problems thats why, asking for help...

What is he more experienced at? Getting deindexed?

You are judged by your very poor posts.

And your site....ilwx.com......is nothing BUT duplicate content...so
anything you say about dupe content is pretty dang silly. Not to
mention that the list is actually wrong.

Like the caveman said, "Next time, do a little research."

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Its really bizare because in my webmaster tools there is no manual penalty applied

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10 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Britton

Its really bizare because in my webmaster tools there is no manual penalty applied

How many domains are in the PBN and to confirm using the Google site: search finds nothing indexed?

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There are 5 domains in the PBN, it only returns the website if I put in the whole domain e.g NO keywords return the site only the domain which is http://www.themathstutoronline.com

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Originally Posted by Steven Britton

There are 5 domains in the PBN

All on the same host or SEO host?

Did you add any to Google Webmasters?

Did you link out to the same set of money sites from all 5 or only to one 1 money site?

Did you use spun content or unique written content?

Did you do any content cloaking?

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10 years ago

I added the money site to Google webmaster tools, I take it thats not a good idea? All 5 sites linked to the money site, 2 were on SEO hosts and the other 3 were not

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Originally Posted by Steven Britton

I added the money site to Google webmaster tools, I take it thats not a good idea? All 5 sites linked to the money site, 2 were on SEO hosts and the other 3 were not

There's nothing wrong with adding your sites to webmaster tools unless you are using blackhat SEO techniques.

Sounds like you've been reading some real rubbish SEO info.

As long as you aren't doing anything wrong you could have all 5 domains on one host, one IP address, take a Google manual reviewer out for dinner and give them the list of your 5 domains.

Owning a small network is not an issue to Google, it's only when you use blackhat techniques you need to hide what you are doing.

Owning 100 domains about maths tutors is not a penalty incurring activity per se. If you used 99 of them to spam for links, scrape content, tried to game Google and link them all to one money site, now that's a penalty incurring issue.

BTW Owning 5 domains and linking them to your money site won't give you good rankings on the money site unless you work hard on backlinks to all the domains. There's no value in links from content that's on domains that haven't been linked to.

Google has a trust factor related to backlinks and age of backlinks, work hard on backlinks for a couple of years and you'll probably have a domain that's trusted (takes a long time to generate Google trust) and that can rank for competitive SERPs and will pass significant SEO benefit to other sites via links.

By owning 5 domains you have to work hard on backlinks to 5 domains rather than 1. If you find building backlinks difficult you'd be better with one domain with all your useful content on it. Rather than building links to crappy little micro sites for links to the money site, build content your vistors will link to. If you put up free lesson plans, maths worksheets etc... (build a resource that acts as link bait) you could naturally generate thousands of backlinks and not have to ever build another link the hard way.

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10 years ago

Hi Dave,

Thanks for your help. I take on board the criticism. I was ranked number 4 for the term 'online maths tuition'. I was taking advice from Source Wave SEO about not over optimising pages and keyword stuffing. I disagree with what you are saying about poor content, the home page provides relevant information about online maths tuition. Not being funny when I say this as I am keen to learn new things but are you able to provide me with a URL which is a good example of good on page SEO and good quality content that is ranking well in the search engines? Perhaps a site that you have made?

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10 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Britton

You misunderstood, I didn't mean your content is low quality, I meant it's poorly optimized, the SEO isn't good.

Quick look at the SERP "online maths tuition".

It's part of the title tag, that's a plus. Many SEO believe having it at the start of the title tag is better and yours is near the end.

You have it as part of a H1 tag, many SEO's believe H* tags add SEO relevance. So that's a plus.

That's it, you don't use the exact phrase "online maths tuition"anywhere else, no images with filename "online-maths-tuition.jpg" and alt txt "online maths tuition".

No body text with the phrase.

No links off the page to related content using online maths tuition or a close derivative as anchor text.

Your SEO is practically non-existent.

Only way you could possibly gain this SERP with that site is backlinks, did you have a number of backlinks with anchor text related to that SERP and now they've gone/been changed in your drive to under SEO (dumb SEO concept BTW)?

Yes I have examples of sites that are well SEO'd and ranking, sig links.

Recently wrote some article how to target SERPs like Online Shopping. It's targeting Online shopping SERPs, but as described in the article it's not going to rank for a competitive SERP like Online Shopping. I wrote it to teach my users how to write search engine optimized content, you appear to have read the exact opposite advice to NOT optimize content!

Those who believe this tend to look at sites that are ranking high and have poor on-page SEO and jump to the conclusion Google is downgrading for on-page SEO.

What they forget is sites like Amazon.com though poorly optimized on-site, they have a mass of backlinks which are still very important.

I have a jokes site (in my sig) and it ranks for a lot of relevant joke SERPs (looks like I'll get a million visitors over the next 12 months and it's not fully optimized). When you check joke SERPs you tend to find sites like Sikipedia and the Comedy Central jokes section of their site and a fair number of Reddit pages (these will gain millions of visitors a year due to their jokes pages, so significantly more traffic than my jokes site).

All these sites have a LOT of backlinks, this means their on-page SEO doesn't have to be nearly as good as sites with far fewer backlinks.

My jokes site for example has backlinks from 408 domains (Webmaster Tools) which isn't too bad (I haven't worked hard on the backlinks).

Compare this to how many backlinks Sikipedia and Reddit will likely have, to compete with their off-site SEO my jokes sites on-page SEO has to be spot on or I'd need to match their off-site SEO (unrealistic).

My site has some competitive SERPs due to the OK off-site SEO and very good on-page SEO on the pages that are optimized, but it struggles to compete for the really competitive SERPs like joke, jokes, funny jokes because I don't have the same level of off-site SEO. If Sikipedia/Reddit etc... also had good on-page SEO I'd never beat them, they don't so with targeting can compete for SERPs like White Jokes.

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Originally Posted by SEO-Dave

Recently wrote some article how to target SERPs like Online Shopping. It's targeting Online shopping SERPs, but as described in the article it's not going to rank for a competitive SERP like Online Shopping. I wrote it to teach my users how to write search engine optimized content, you appear to have read the exact opposite advice to NOT optimize content!

Uhm, not sure how many words that article is what you wrote but you used the exact phrase "online shopping" 79 times.

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Originally Posted by nik0

Uhm, not sure how many words that article is what you wrote but you used the exact phrase "online shopping" 79 times.

Are you a keyword density checker?

According to Free Keyword Density Analyzer Tool it currently has a KD for Online Shopping at 4.62% (used 88 times, not 79).

I never check KD to decide how to optimize content, I have one check, is it readable. That's more than I'd normally use because the article explains why I've used Online Shopping etc... in particular ways which has increased it's usage quite a bit.

You appreciate I'm not going to gain the Online Shopping SERP right? Don't have the off-site or some of the on-site (no supporting webpages).

This is a teaching article to show how you can optimize content, it's not meant as a boilerplate template per se, it's to show some of the important SEO factors to cover when creating content like relevant anchor text of links from the content etc...

Want a real example see my jokes site, search for White Jokes (number 3 in Google). IME there isn't an over optimization penalty per se, if the content isn't trying to game Google I've never had a problem.

If I cared more about the jokes site (doesn't make much money), I'd have optimized the 8,000+ comments on the white jokes page, made sure they all had a relevant comment title. I'd also move thousands of the comments to other relevant joke pages and target more SERPs and generate more supporting webpages. Really time consuming, have more important sites to work on that have less traffic, BUT make money.

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Originally Posted by SEO-Dave

I've seen rankings jump up significant by just lowering the KW density so yeah sure it's one of the things I look at. Hard to check in your case as you took such competitive and irrelevant phrase that you don't show up in the top 500. I aim to stay below 1-1.5% and that works out well.

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Originally Posted by nik0

Like I said the online shopping post is a teaching article, not expecting it to rank for the SERPs targeted.

Do the same checks on the White Jokes page (usually number 3 in Google), it's a better representation of a real world example and funnily enough has KD of just over 1% for white jokes (I wouldn't be concerned if it were 0.5% or 5%, density per se isn't important).

I'm curious what do you do when targeting multiple related SERPs on one page and aiming for a KD for one phrase results in a high/low KD for another?

The jokes page has a KD for the word white at 7.62% and jokes at 3.76, white people at 3.35% : Page also ranks for white people jokes (number 3).

Tracking KD is pointless, you can't build pages that target multiple SERPs and maintain a specific KD for all SERPs.

It's not the density of a phrase, it's how you use it.

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You should look at each phrase individually, white people jokes is one phrase, white jokes is one phrase, and that each has it's own density.

Optimize a page for best lawn mowers, lawn mower reviews, top rated lawn mowers and a couple of others. Stick to 1 percent and you probably end up with a KW of 10 percent+ for the phrase "lawn mowers" and while doing so you'll find it very hard to rank for that phrase.

I don't even ask my writers to maintain a certain density, I just let them write naturally and then it always comes down to <1.5 percent KW, unless it's some crappy SEO writer that keeps repeating the same phrase to reach the word count faster.

Most of my target kw's are "best this" and "reviews that" so it mostly contains 3 words, especially then it appears quickly as kw stuffing.

I've had plenty of ecommerce customers that want to rank product category pages, where each product title in the category contains the target keyword, other pages didn't have that, there was a huge difference between rankings (till he adjusted it) and then everything went well again so can't get a better proof for myself then that.

Cause of my service (low budget) I rank more sites then most medium sized SEO companies and thus I see a ton of stuff that others might not even run into or just ignore it cause they don't know what to do with it.

Some people think I'm a know it all or arrogant or stubborn, but that's simply cause I ranked so many sites, case studies are the real proof of what works and what not. I figured Penguin 3 out already, tons of people would disagree, well let them disagree. It's really not that hard to figure out when you compare a decent sample of sites that still rank vs a decent sample that tanked.

There's also another huge benefit of doing low budget SEO, it forces you to make a lot of mistakes to save money, and you learn a lot from that. People who do everything right from the start with good budgets will never know what a new update targets or not. Nor would they care obvious but when there are discussions on that front they have nothing of value to add as they have zero experience with that type of things.

Just rambling a bit on...
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Originally Posted by Steven Britton

There are 5 domains in the PBN, it only returns the website if I put in the whole domain e.g NO keywords return the site only the domain which is The Maths Tutor Online: Best online maths tuition service

You said your site was deindexed, OMFG

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Feel so good to be right AGAIN.

So Pdomain care to apologize for being such a dick?

Steven, as I suspected your site isn't deindexed as is shown by the site: search.

https://www.google.com/search?q=XYZ#...ronline.com%2F

When deindexed it means Google has wiped your domain from it's index, NOT you can't find it for the SERPs you search for. So your issue is you think you've been de-ranked.

Don't worry, a lot of people make this mistake of searching for a phrase they want to rank for and assuming because they aren't listed Google has banned them.

These types of searches can give an indication if a site carries a serious penalty:

https://www.google.com/search?q=info...+in+the+UK!%22

By searching for long unique phrases on a webpage surrounded by speech marks you should find your page and any pages that's scraped (copied) your page.

What you are looking for is how you compare to the scrapers. If either you aren't listed at all or crappy scrapers are out competing you for very long tail unique SERPs, suggests penalty.

https://www.google.com/search?q=info...l=rcs&filter=0

The search above shows three results, you are number 2 (not good), but have you copied their content or they copied yours? Or are they both yours and you resuse content?

Do multiple searches like the one above see how you generally compete against sites coping your content, if you find you consistently rank top 3 when there's a fair number of results might not be a penalty. If you find scrapers easily beat you, suggests serious penalty.

I'm concerned you aren't ranked for your home page title tag:

The Maths Tutor Online: Best online maths tuition service

That's a very long tail SERPs and should be easy for a home page if you've been working on backlinks. I'm not convinced this is a penalized domain, it's not optimized for anything.

To put things into perspective.

The domain is just over a year old.
Doesn't look like you've built many high quality backlinks.
Your on-page SEO is non-existent (it's bloody awful**).
You don't have a lot of content and very little targeting relevant SERPs a domain of this age and lack of on-page and off-site SEO is likely to generate (right now you should be targeting long tail SERPs while you build backlinks).

** Few examples why it's awful.

Broken links to index.html (that's your home page link!!!)
Links using "Click Here", "Read More" and "Home" as anchor text. Only saw one link on the home page with keyword relevant anchor text.
Images lack alt text including the images linked to your deeper content!

What you have right now is how NOT to rank in Google.

Has the domain ever ranked for relevant SERPs, if so which ones? I honestly don't see your site right now generating any serious traffic, it's not targeting anything.

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