My Detailed Experience of John's xFactor Adsense Strategy

15 years ago

Good work. Keep it up man, you will start to see results and after that it will take a snowball effect. Just don't try and rush anything, like I did at first.

Creating a steady adsense income does not happen overnight. Rushing greatly reduces the quality of your individual sites content and backlinks.

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zeroacid

15 years ago

That's a great start!!!

I am starting with John's program too, but I am still at the very first stage of doing keyword research!

Keep up the work!! Good Luck!

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rainyclayday 15 years ago

I think that you have done everything right, and now you just need to move on to another site (or 2) and just keep building more sites. Mine are taking around 3 weeks to start making money.

This is just my opinion, but once you have done all the steps, best thing to do is stop hammering at that site and sort of have an "okay, I'm done with that for now" mentality and move on. See what happens over the next few weeks but in the meantime just build more sites or work on your marketing in some other aspect. As you slowly see which sites are doing better, you can write more articles for backlinks later.

What I do is I have a "master list" of all my sites with their resource box info which I keep in a notepad file. I go through that every day and write articles for the sites I'm currently promoting which include Adsense sites and others. I don't always write for the same sites, I change up as I see some are doing well and others may tank. If they just refuse to make any money I stop writing for them. Invariably though, those same sites I gave up on will eventually start bringing in some dollars down the road but they just might take a bit longer. At that point you could add them back into your article writing rotation. The master list of sites and resource boxes just makes it easy for me to submit them to EA.

So bottom line - keep going, you are doing great. You will get results if you just soldier on.
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nettech

15 years ago

Remember that if your domains are new, it will take some time for them to build up some history and credibility with Google. They may be sandboxed. It does take some time but what you're doing is absolutely correct, its all about moving on to the next niche, keep buildng and building. Just keep taking action, if you look at your AdSense earning all the time then its not going to happen but it seems you guys are cracking on with it.

Good luck

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nettech

15 years ago

@ Aboutusnow: How many pages did you create in total for each site? Although your search volujme is between the receommended 5k - 10k mark, you may need about 5 pages initially. Also, to get your homepage indexed, go to pingler but dont overdo it, just once should be ok.

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aboutusnow

15 years ago

Originally Posted by nettech

@ Aboutusnow: How many pages did you create in total for each site? Although your search volujme is between the receommended 5k - 10k mark, you may need about 5 pages initially. Also, to get your homepage indexed, go to pingler but dont overdo it, just once should be ok.

Yeah, to begin with I just created 3 pages per site. The next 2 pages are in the works now and should be up and running soon. Thanks for the advice about pingler. I will give it a shot.

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aboutusnow

15 years ago

October 1, 2009 Update

I think I got a lot accomplished today. I did some more keyword research to add 2 more pages to each of my current sites. I also now have keywords to create 3 more sites. I am trying to stay below 20,000 competing sites and 20 SOC for now. I think John said at one time he even likes to see competing sites below 10,000.

I wrote 5 more articles today. It only took about an hour. One thing that I like about John's strategy is that article writing is primarily for backlinks, not clicks. I don't mind writing, but I couldn't imagine researching and writing articles for each niche every time I needed another backlink. I will keep writing, but will save these articles for when my new sites are up.

And good news! This morning neither of my main pages were showing in the top 10 pages for my keyword. Now one is on the 3rd page and the other is on the 5th. Hopefully, this is just the beginning of their climb!

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SEOArbiter 15 years ago

I've read John's product. It's good, the only thing I would recommend is more link building, espeically for the more competitive, two and three letter word keywords.

Remember, though, the SEO part just gets you traffic. The ultimate thing that will determine the success of his adsense method is the CTR. If his template only gets a 1% or 2% CTR, then it's like any other site. The only way it can be successful is if you get a HIGH CTR.

However, if you do link building, you'll get ranked, espeically for these product based keywords.

For example, do a search for:

danskin yoga pilates mat

pilatesyogamatdeals.com is one of the sites we've done SEO on.

It's a four word keyword, longer tail, but we got ranked within days of launching the site and we're ranked #1, #2. When the on page factors and the off page factors all align, you'll get very good results.

Anyway, only other thing I'd suggest is don't waste your time writing articles. If you want to be successful, learn to outsource and manage.
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  Totally agree, however, most people can't afford to do this from the outset but I agree, Ive outsourced and its great when you dont have to write articles yourself.
  
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nettech

15 years ago

Thats the beauty of Johns guide. What John has achived is a way of ensuring that each page you build has a backlink to it. We're all guilty of building sites but not all pages have backlinks. His guide gives you a process with is uncluttered, manageable and whereby results can be achived very quickly.

He doesn't discount any of the methods such as Social bookmarking, further article marketing etc as all these work, he is just using his experience. Its all about time management, working smarter and not just harder!

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mrtrance

15 years ago

Originally Posted by aboutusnow

I wrote articles on completely unrelated subjects that my keywords. I wrote on something that I can write on fast. I submitted the exact same articles to ezinearticles and goarticles.

Is your GoArticle being indexed in Google as well? Recently I have been submitting my approved Ezinearticles to GoArticles and they don't seem to get indexed at all. I submit the exact same article with no changes.

Usually after my Ezine is approved it gets indexed within a few hours. Then a few days later I submit to GoArticles, but in the last month or so none of them seem to get indexed. I had submitted a set back in mid August and when I check for them in Google either by the title or url they don't show up.

What has been your experience with GoArticles recently?

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aboutusnow

15 years ago

Originally Posted by mrtrance

Is your GoArticle being indexed in Google as well? Recently I have been submitting my approved Ezinearticles to GoArticles and they don't seem to get indexed at all. I submit the exact same article with no changes.

Usually after my Ezine is approved it gets indexed within a few hours. Then a few days later I submit to GoArticles, but in the last month or so none of them seem to get indexed. I had submitted a set back in mid August and when I check for them in Google either by the title or url they don't show up.

What has been your experience with GoArticles recently?

Sometimes they do. Like this morning I checked and two were showing as links to my main page. Just checked right now, and they don't.

To be honest though, I try not to worry about it. I have tried getting my pages ranked before without a great deal of success, so for the most part, I am following John's steps in his ebook. If he told me to stand on my head while I wrote my articles, I would do it!

Clearly, as I gain experience, I will learn what works for me. But right now I don't have that experience, so I continue to submit to GoArticles.

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Kelly Verge

15 years ago

It's pretty simple.

Build the sites with a layout similar (as close as possible) to the one in John's course. Focus on physical products. Don't try to write reviews - just talk about features. Place the Adsense blocks as described.

Do this and your CTR will be 20%-50%.

The other half of the equation is traffic.

Your <title> for each page should contain your keyword near or at the front, but this title is also the blue link that's shown on Google so it should be written to pull in visitors. For example, "Stainless Steel Widgets" might be a keyword-rich title, but "We have the best Stainless Steel Widgets Information and Suppliers" might pull more people.

The meta-description serves the same purpose. Again, it should contain the keyword, but it's also the rest of your "ad" in the SERPS.

A page with a well-written title and description can pull in more visitors than a page ranked above it in the search results. Consider what a buyer is looking for then show them (in words) that you have it.

Finally, work on backlinking.

I like John's article methods and have included them in a larger, more comprehensive backlinking campaign.

Ranking takes time. Sites and pages move up and down in the SERPS. It takes months for this to all settle down - sometimes they won't hit their final position until weeks after you stop your active backlinking.

If your pages are somewhere on page 13+ and never reach the first page (even if only for a day or two), your problem isn't with understanding "the course." You have either missed something with the keyword research or you're trying to take shortcuts with the backlinks.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by Kelly Verge

Ranking takes time. Sites and pages move up and down in the SERPS. It takes months for this to all settle down - sometimes they won't hit their final position until weeks after you stop your active backlinking.

If your pages are somewhere on page 13+ and never reach the first page (even if only for a day or two), your problem isn't with understanding "the course." You have either missed something with the keyword research or you're trying to take shortcuts with the backlinks.

No matter how many times I say it, so many people just don't let that
sink in.

I just got a complaint this morning that "my methods" do not work
because it's been 4 weeks and the guy's sites are not making money.

No questions, no stats for me, nothing - just gave up.

4 weeks.... I had to chuckle.

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mrizos

15 years ago

Originally Posted by aboutusnow

How is everyone's else experience coming along? I read of these people creating sites and having it rank #1 or #2 in a week and making $2 a day from each site. That hasn't happened to me yet, but I understand that there is a lot we can't control with Google.

Mine is pretty positive right now. I followed the course to a T and the results have been sorta shocking to me. My first site (based on the course) made over $100 in the last 30 days.

I can give ya some details:

The domain name is based off a keyword that gets 720 search a month
My template is loosely based on Johns (made it myself)
My CTR is about 40%
The site is 5 pages
Each page is about 300 words
All my SOC's are 10 or under
None of my targeted phrases rank well, it's all accidental phrases...whatever works, but it still bugs me. Which gets on to my next point.
I only submitted 8 articles to Ezines and Articlesbase
Onlywired everypage

My questions...things that eat at me...

How much PR is too much PR. Sometimes I'll find an SOC of about 5 (for example), but when I do a google search with seo quake enabled I'll see crazy PR's from 4-8 all the way down page one. I just wonder when you say..."yep...way too much PR...time to move on to my next phrase"
How many articles does it take to rank for a keyword that has an SOC of 10 and under. I know this is somewhat impossible, however I'm conducting an experiment on a 5 word phrase that has an SOC of 6. I'm writing and submitting an article a day for this phrase. I'm just curious how long it will take for the phrase to break into the first 100 results.

Oh well, time to finish tonights article.

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aboutusnow

15 years ago

Originally Posted by mrizos

How much PR is too much PR. Sometimes I'll find an SOC of about 5 (for example), but when I do a google search with seo quake enabled I'll see crazy PR's from 4-8 all the way down page one. I just wonder when you say..."yep...way too much PR...time to move on to my next phrase"

Well, you are making money and that is the most important part.

Keep in mind that I have only been doing this for about 2 weeks, so I can't really gauge results. But I don't target a keyword unless the first 5 pages in Google for that keyword are PR 3 or less. Unless I see Amazon - sometimes they have a rank of 4 or 5. But in John's original thread he said don't worry about Amazon as they are not that hard to outrank most of the time.

To paraphrase, he said if you see Amazon as the top ranking page for your keyword, don't walk, but run and get started on that keyword.

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aboutusnow

15 years ago

I got a click yesterday worth 21 cents. Not a lot, but it is money!

But I am having the darndest time trying to find out where that click come from. I can't even narrow it down to the URL - so clearly I have a lot of work to do on my tracking.

Can someone point me in the right direction on the best way to track the performance of adsense ads?

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TristanPerry

15 years ago

Originally Posted by aboutusnow

I got a click yesterday worth 21 cents. Not a lot, but it is money!

But I am having the darndest time trying to find out where that click come from. I can't even narrow it down to the URL - so clearly I have a lot of work to do on my tracking.

Can someone point me in the right direction on the best way to track the performance of adsense ads?

Look into channels, more specifically URL Channels

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aboutusnow

15 years ago

Originally Posted by TristanPerry

Look into channels, more specifically URL Channels

Hey Tristan,

I set URL channels up 2 days ago, and my adsense shows a click for today, but nothing shows under the channel reports.

I read that channels sometime take 1-2 days to update. Do you know if that is true, or do I just not have it setup correctly?

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TristanPerry

15 years ago

Originally Posted by aboutusnow

Hey Tristan,

I set URL channels up 2 days ago, and my adsense shows a click for today, but nothing shows under the channel reports.

I read that channels sometime take 1-2 days to update. Do you know if that is true, or do I just not have it setup correctly?

My channels appear the following day. To be honest you may have set it up slightly wrongly (without knowing more information).

I just go to Setup >> Channels >> Add URL Channel

Then I enter the domain name (so say my website address was Example Web Page I'd simply enter example.org) and submit and the following day the new channel's stats will be tracked.

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kingside

15 years ago

Originally Posted by aboutusnow

Hey Tristan,

I set URL channels up 2 days ago, and my adsense shows a click for today, but nothing shows under the channel reports.

I read that channels sometime take 1-2 days to update. Do you know if that is true, or do I just not have it setup correctly?

Channels should show up right away. I wouldn't recommend regenerating your ads though, you can just edit your existing ads and put the channels in. Get the channel ID by clicking on "Adsense Setup" and then "Channels". Find the correct ID, copy it, and then put this line in your adsense code, right below the google_ad_height line:

google_ad_channel = "CHANNELID";

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TristanPerry

15 years ago

Originally Posted by kingside

Channels should show up right away. I wouldn't recommend regenerating your ads though, you can just edit your existing ads and put the channels in. Get the channel ID by clicking on "Adsense Setup" and then "Channels". Find the correct ID, copy it, and then put this line in your adsense code, right below the google_ad_height line:

google_ad_channel = "CHANNELID";

That's for specific ad channels not URL channels, but that's a good bit of advise *nods*

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nettech

15 years ago

Use URL channels in your AdSense account. In addition to this, you can integrate your Google Analytics account with your AdSense account. You need to simply add a bit of code to your sites and it tracks the exact pages, keywords, etc. This is a goldmine of statistical data which is soooo helpful.

For example, if you know that a visitor only stays on a page for x number of seconds then you know that the page may need to be tweaked etc. Its excellent, I would take advantage of it....now go and take action!

Originally Posted by aboutusnow

I got a click yesterday worth 21 cents. Not a lot, but it is money!

But I am having the darndest time trying to find out where that click come from. I can't even narrow it down to the URL - so clearly I have a lot of work to do on my tracking.

Can someone point me in the right direction on the best way to track the performance of adsense ads?

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2d0k

15 years ago

Originally Posted by aboutusnow

I got a click yesterday worth 21 cents. Not a lot, but it is money!

But I am having the darndest time trying to find out where that click come from. I can't even narrow it down to the URL - so clearly I have a lot of work to do on my tracking.

Can someone point me in the right direction on the best way to track the performance of adsense ads?

You can use Google Analytics.. the tool is very helpful..

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ladyfoster

15 years ago

one thing i am discovering is that people are putting the text from John's yoga's sample about page and finding all of the xfactor sites.... mind included... I immediately changed all of my text on about page and contact page to be worded completely differently... However the search engines have not picked it up yet.

So if you dont want somebody to move in on your niche, I suggest you stop using John's sample about and contact page word for word and write your on.
Im glad I learned this lesson quickly before I can get more sites up.

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ronb107

15 years ago

One quick question.

When writing articles on subjects unrelated to your website, doesn't Google discount the links, since the article is unrelated to the content of your website?

This is like have links from other websites that are unrelated pointing to you. My understanding was that Google devalues such links.

I suspect that I am wrong, since it appears to be working; but I have to ask anyways.

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TristanPerry

15 years ago

Originally Posted by ronb107

One quick question.

When writing articles on subjects unrelated to your website, doesn't Google discount the links, since the article is unrelated to the content of your website?

This is like have links from other websites that are unrelated pointing to you. My understanding was that Google devalues such links.

I suspect that I am wrong, since it appears to be working; but I have to ask anyways.

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Nope, Google doesn't work in this way.

A backlink is a backlink no matter whether the content is related or not.

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MissEvonne 15 years ago

I bought the course on Sept. 15th and I have about 5 sites up now and I am working on my 6th. Have had some good days, I think my best was $6.50/day. But I have also had some $.21 & $.42 days but thats OK I know over time this will continue to get better. I wish I knew why that one day was so high???
This method works, it just takes time. I have just used article marketing, some I write myself some I outsourced on Elance for $5.00 an article.
I did initially make my sites pretty close to John's formula just to get the experience behind me but I am now changing the designs around. I also need to get a little better in my keyword research, take a bit more time.

Thanks Again John!
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mountainrunner

15 years ago

Originally Posted by TristanPerry

Nope, Google doesn't work in this way.

A backlink is a backlink no matter whether the content is related or not.

I'm sorry for the dumb question..but I've been reading that multiple links from one domain don't really count for much beyond the first one. If that's so, why do people keep submitting articles to all of these directories I wonder..?

I don't know..it's just confusing when people are saying so many different things.

Any clarification would be very much appreciated!

Kyle

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Jason Fulton

15 years ago

Originally Posted by mountainrunner

I'm sorry for the dumb question..but I've been reading that multiple links from one domain don't really count for much beyond the first one. If that's so, why do people keep submitting articles to all of these directories I wonder..?

I don't know..it's just confusing when people are saying so many different things.

Any clarification would be very much appreciated!

Kyle

Hi,

People keep submitting their articles to article directories in the hope others pick up their article and post it on their own sites & blogs giving you a new backlink on another domain.

Jason

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mountainrunner 15 years ago

Thanks Jason
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evertd

15 years ago

Originally Posted by ronb107

One quick question.

When writing articles on subjects unrelated to your website, doesn't Google discount the links, since the article is unrelated to the content of your website?

This is like have links from other websites that are unrelated pointing to you. My understanding was that Google devalues such links.

I suspect that I am wrong, since it appears to be working; but I have to ask anyways.

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If that is a concern to you, just write on something else in the same niche as your website. For example if your keyword is "thick yoga mats", then write about yoga poses, or yoga clothing, as long as you don't use your keyword in the article other than in the resource box.

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Bewley

15 years ago

Originally Posted by evertd

If that is a concern to you, just write on something else in the same niche as your website. For example if your keyword is "thick yoga mats", then write about yoga poses, or yoga clothing, as long as you don't use your keyword in the article other than in the resource box.

I sincerely hope not! That would go against everything that John says about the article marketing part of his course!

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XFactor

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Bewley

I sincerely hope not! That would go against everything that John says about the article marketing part of his course!

The advice given in my book is just 1 way of doing things
out of dozens possible.

I've actually doing the opposite for testing purposes and writing
articles about my niches.

The results? GREAT!

I'll be publishing this in a course update soon, but first am getting
the private forum up.

Just about there...

- John

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ronb107

15 years ago

Originally Posted by XFactor

The advice given in my book is just 1 way of doing things
out of dozens possible.

I've actually doing the opposite for testing purposes and writing
articles about my niches.

The results? GREAT!

I'll be publishing this in a course update soon, but first am getting
the private forum up.

Just about there...

- John

John, this would imply that the niche you are writing about is a popular subject, else it would not increase link juice over time. Or is my assumption wrong?

Also, what is your feeling about my original query regarding devaluation of the links by Google for topics unrelated to your niche?

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ronb107 15 years ago

John (XFactor):

Also, do you use any particular tracking tool for testing purposes and management of your niches?

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cherylmusicfreak

15 years ago

Originally Posted by evertd

If that is a concern to you, just write on something else in the same niche as your website. For example if your keyword is "thick yoga mats", then write about yoga poses, or yoga clothing, as long as you don't use your keyword in the article other than in the resource box.

Hi,
I had never heard this before until I read John's Lessons Learned post. Is it really that bad to write an article, put it on my blog, spin it (I have a great article spinner) and submit it to several article directories, all the while using the same exact keyword in the article and the resource box?
If it is I guess I have a lot more articles to write. Does it really make your article site rank higher than your own site by using the same keywords in both places? If you're doing other backlinking to your money site it shouldn't matter, should it?

Also when you write an article what keyword gets ranked the most, the one in scattered in the article or the one that's anchor text in the resource box?

Cheryl

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veotis

15 years ago

Originally Posted by aboutusnow

I got a click yesterday worth 21 cents. Not a lot, but it is money!

But I am having the darndest time trying to find out where that click come from. I can't even narrow it down to the URL - so clearly I have a lot of work to do on my tracking.

Can someone point me in the right direction on the best way to track the performance of adsense ads?

You don't have to set up channels anymore to find out this information. When you log in to your Adsense account, you should see a link somewhere on the page about intergrating your Adsense account with Google Analytics. I highly recommend you click on this link and follow the instructions.

Originally Posted by ladyfoster

one thing i am discovering is that people are putting the text from John's yoga's sample about page and finding all of the xfactor sites.... mind included... I immediately changed all of my text on about page and contact page to be worded completely differently... However the search engines have not picked it up yet.

So if you dont want somebody to move in on your niche, I suggest you stop using John's sample about and contact page word for word and write your on.
Im glad I learned this lesson quickly before I can get more sites up.

Unfortunately, a lot of buyers of the course have done this. They didn't change a thing.

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sarasayshi

15 years ago

Originally Posted by ladyfoster

one thing i am discovering is that people are putting the text from John's yoga's sample about page and finding all of the xfactor sites.... mind included... I immediately changed all of my text on about page and contact page to be worded completely differently... However the search engines have not picked it up yet.

So if you dont want somebody to move in on your niche, I suggest you stop using John's sample about and contact page word for word and write your on.
Im glad I learned this lesson quickly before I can get more sites up.

It still amazes me that people always do this. If an example is thrown up in an eBook, you have about 80% of its readers copying the example word for word or they run out and target the same exact keywords.

It seems a lot of people skipped the part where John explained why he didn't hand out the template in the ebook or the part where he was highly encouraging people to create their own template so as to make their sites undetectable. Or less detectable.

Glad you caught on Dee and learned your lesson before you had 30+ sites up.

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ladyfoster 15 years ago

Yeah, its so easy to fall in the copy trap because its easier.... the about page and the content page requests very little content. So it does not take alot to write your own original content. That's just plain lazy ( I was guilty too) but Im glad I only had one site up at the time. but it started getting traffic immediately for those looking for all of the xfactor sites.....
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15 years ago

Originally Posted by sarasayshi

It still amazes me that people always do this. If an example is thrown up in an eBook, you have about 80% of its readers copying the example word for word or they run out and target the same exact keywords.

Exactly, happens all the time :-) One pretty big guy once showed an example of one of his sites and he was copied 100s of times. Some people were sooooo limited, they even copied his site together with his Googe Analytics code. Hehe. Amazing.

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WareTime

15 years ago

Originally Posted by ladyfoster

one thing i am discovering is that people are putting the text from John's yoga's sample about page and finding all of the xfactor sites.... mind included... I immediately changed all of my text on about page and contact page to be worded completely differently... However the search engines have not picked it up yet.

So if you dont want somebody to move in on your niche, I suggest you stop using John's sample about and contact page word for word and write your on.
Im glad I learned this lesson quickly before I can get more sites up.

This is why John has been harping on this from day one and didn't release templates. And still we have hundreds of them. So if you like giving your niches to others get ready to work your butt off even more. Not directing this at you ladyfoster, but people in general that don't change anything out of either lazyness or some stupid belief that the phraseology John used in those templates is where the magic is at.

Plus when you do this you make the foot print that much larger which makes it that much easier for google to slap your site. Which I guess I should shut up about as it will be less competition for us that do change the template.

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sarasayshi

15 years ago

Originally Posted by WareTime

This is why John has been harping on this from day one and didn't release templates. And still we have hundreds of them. So if you like giving your niches to others get ready to work your butt off even more. Not directing this at you ladyfoster, but people in general that don't change anything out of either lazyness or some stupid belief that the phraseology John used in those templates is where the magic is at.

Plus when you do this you make the foot print that much larger which makes it that much easier for google to slap your site. Which I guess I should shut up about as it will be less competition for us that do change the template.

You have some good points but I hate hearing this. People always forget that it doesn't matter if you switch up your template several times, Google can track you through your adsens pub id#. There's your major footprint. lol

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WareTime

15 years ago

Originally Posted by sarasayshi

You have some good points but I hate hearing this. People always forget that it doesn't matter if you switch up your template several times, Google can track you through your adsens pub id#. There's your major footprint. lol

You misunderstand me. When I say footprint, I'm not talking about them tracking YOU, I'm talking about the "look" of a low quality site. Remember HyperVRE and BANS. Nobody raves about those tools anymore. Why is that? Because Google knew they were almost exclusively low quality sites. The foot print of those sites made it easy for Google to sandbox or even deindex them in one fell swoop. That's the kind of foot print I'm worried about.

It's ok to be a contrarian in this business, there is a ton of wacking off the ends of the pot roast in this industry. If you are confused by that statement read this
Mit, Mitter, Mittany - It's Me!: The Pot Roast Story

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falconflier19

15 years ago

Originally Posted by WareTime

You misunderstand me. When I say footprint, I'm not talking about them tracking YOU, I'm talking about the "look" of a low quality site. Remember HyperVRE and BANS. Nobody raves about those tools anymore. Why is that? Because Google knew they were almost exclusively low quality sites. The foot print of those sites made it easy for Google to sandbox or even deindex them in one fell swoop. That's the kind of foot print I'm worried about.

It's ok to be a contrarian in this business, there is a ton of wacking off the ends of the pot roast in this industry. If you are confused by that statement read this
Mit, Mitter, Mittany - It's Me!: The Pot Roast Story

That is why it is important to use John's guide as just that, a guide. The easiest thing you can do is customize a template so it has your own look. WP is the easiest way to do this in my opinion. Instead of posts, set it up to display static pages.

Think outside the box. John gave you a good foundation.

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simpleadsense 15 years ago

I am just wondering why you would care if your about and contact page are worded the same? Now I have not used xfactors course so I very well could be missing something, however this should not effect your main/landing page which is what you want indexed and ranked. Infact I am under the impression that most would actually tell google not to follow the contact, about and privacy page so they dont get indexed and ranked. You don't want to have those pages outrank your main/landing page. On a side note, someone asked how much PR is to much when looking at your competition, add the top ten site's PR and divide by 10, you want an average PR of 3 or less on the first page.
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arth

15 years ago

It is so nice to see more people are using john's method!

Guess what? During my keyword research I have run through several sites that have the similar layouts, haha, I have found some good web designing, and learned a lot from those counterpart.

John, are you worried that maybe one day this method could become a red ocean?(too much competition)

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by arth

It is so nice to see more people are using john's method!

Guess what? During my keyword research I have run through several sites that have the similar layouts, haha, I have found some good web designing, and learned a lot from those counterpart.

John, are you worried that maybe one day this method could become a red ocean?(too much competition)

What "method" are you asking about?

I ask because this isn't my method, it's just common sense and how
the search engines work:

Websites & Unique Content (I did not invent this).

- John

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nettech

15 years ago

The good thing about John's method is that it targets pretty much every niche you can think of so I doubt this method can saturate every market. The web is big enough for eveyone.

Since John is reading this thread I want to congratluate you on an excellent course. Very uncluttered method and straight to the point.

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vagabondette

15 years ago

I came across my first clone site today. It was a bit weird.

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nettech

15 years ago

I think people thought they coudl literally copy absolutely everything...lol....

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nettech

15 years ago

To be honest, its quite an easy thing to fall into, theres soo much going on, keywords research, design and development of templates, writing copy etc that I suppose its really something on the 'backburner'.

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HCLee

15 years ago

I've bought John's ebook, launched 3 sites with 2 on Google's page 1 so I have to say John's technique works. I write and submit articles too but I used Angela's backlink building and that seems to help. My first site's keyword phrase is now on Google's #1.

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15 years ago

Hi,

Don't want to get to personal but what kind of earning bracket are you hitting daily?

Well done

Originally Posted by HCLee

I've bought John's ebook, launched 3 sites with 2 on Google's page 1 so I have to say John's technique works. I write and submit articles too but I used Angela's backlink building and that seems to help. My first site's keyword phrase is now on Google's #1.

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aboutusnow

15 years ago

OK...somebody tell me again.

Tell me that it takes time to make money with Adsense.

Tell me that it may take weeks or months for Google to find all of my backlinks even on PR5+ websites.

Tell me that this is a long-term business and not a short-term money making scheme.

Tell me that I can't expect to make money in just 2 weeks.

Tell me to quit checking where my pages rank and my website stats everyday.

Tell me to create a site, submit 15 articles per keyword, and then move on to the next site.

Tell me that if I am patient then all of this work will eventually make good money.

Tell me why human nature wants such quick results and that most people don't make money online because they don't have the mental discipline.

Tell me that the people that say they are making $5 a day in just 2 weeks is exceptional and not the norm.

Tell me all of these things again because I need to hear them just one more time!

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TristanPerry

15 years ago

Originally Posted by aboutusnow

OK...somebody tell me again.

Tell me that it takes time to make money with Adsense.

Tell me that it may take weeks or months for Google to find all of my backlinks even on PR5+ websites.

Tell me that this is a long-term business and not a short-term money making scheme.

Tell me that I can't expect to make money in just 2 weeks.

Tell me to quit checking where my pages rank and my website stats everyday.

Tell me to create a site, submit 15 articles per keyword, and then move on to the next site.

Tell me that if I am patient then all of this work will eventually make good money.

Tell me why human nature wants such quick results and that most people don't make money online because they don't have the mental discipline.

Tell me that the people that say they are making $5 a day in just 2 weeks is exceptional and not the norm.

Tell me all of these things again because I need to hear them just one more time!

Signed
- A Little Discouraged When I Know I Shouldn't Be

All very true.

The "Wow I bought this eBook and within just 2 days I was making $10 per day" posts (well, that sort of post - it feels like that sometimes

) are certainly not the norm.

This isn't magic nor a get rich quick scheme, and it does take time

So don't worry and just enjoy the ride ^^

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vagabondette

15 years ago

Originally Posted by aboutusnow

OK...somebody tell me again.

Tell me that it takes time to make money with Adsense.

Tell me that it may take weeks or months for Google to find all of my backlinks even on PR5+ websites.

Tell me that this is a long-term business and not a short-term money making scheme.

Tell me that I can't expect to make money in just 2 weeks.

Tell me to quit checking where my pages rank and my website stats everyday.

Tell me to create a site, submit 15 articles per keyword, and then move on to the next site.

Tell me that if I am patient then all of this work will eventually make good money.

Tell me why human nature wants such quick results and that most people don't make money online because they don't have the mental discipline.

Tell me that the people that say they are making $5 a day in just 2 weeks is exceptional and not the norm.

Tell me all of these things again because I need to hear them just one more time!

Signed
- A Little Discouraged When I Know I Shouldn't Be

All things you know but deep down hope won't apply to you.

I'm the same even though I know I shouldn't be. It's why I did a 60 day challenge, not a 30-day one. Now if only I had the self control to not check everything daily.

Just keep plugging away and you'll get there. Remember the story of the tortoise and the hare.

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Bewley 15 years ago

Originally Posted by aboutusnow

Tell me all of these things again because I need to hear them just one more time!

I am also implementing Xfactor's strategy. I have gone in with the mindset of not seeing any significant results for at least 6 months, and up to a year. Of course, I will be regularly tracking the stats and tweaking or culling as and when required.

I am also developing two other business models along side - so as not to have all eggs in one basket, so to speak.

The one thing I am doing differently (I think) from most of the followers of John's course, is developing my websites offline, with at least 10 pages of high quality content and the capacity to scale up each site to as many pages as required.

The offline pages are fully optimised with on-page SEO for products that I think will have sustainability in the market place. So, good keyword, competition and target market research is time well worth invested.

It is only then that I will launch each site and promote, which is a pain in the arse, but needs be. My sites (hopefully) will be able to be switched over to affiliate earners with minimum tweaking, if and when the big G decides to give me a slap.

I feel your pain! But it is a slow burner - and once you except that and develop some other revenue streams along side it - your preoccupations with results in the short-term should subside a little.
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  Originally Posted by Bewley
  
  I have gone in with the mindset of not seeing any significant results for at least 6 months, and up to a year.
  
  You'll do very well. Most go into this with the mindset they won't see any significant results for at most 6 minutes and then abandon the strategy on the next WSO that comes along. But I guess that keeps the shovel sellers happy.
  
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  indie08 15 years ago
  
  Hello Everyone!
  
  I just launched 2 sites three weeks ago. My plan is to keep adding content and a few links to each site every day! I'm looking to build more authority type sites. Right now I outsourced 20 e-zine articles for each site and I will be doing this every month.
  
  The only problem I have with X-factor's method is the way he submits articles. I personally submit articles to get targetted traffic from them. If done right this can be a goldmine!
  
  Keep up the great work everyone!
  
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mikengo

15 years ago

I am going to put this up on my wall. It's a great "reality check" :-)

Mike

Originally Posted by aboutusnow

OK...somebody tell me again.

Tell me that it takes time to make money with Adsense.

Tell me that it may take weeks or months for Google to find all of my backlinks even on PR5+ websites.

Tell me that this is a long-term business and not a short-term money making scheme.

Tell me that I can't expect to make money in just 2 weeks.

Tell me to quit checking where my pages rank and my website stats everyday.

Tell me to create a site, submit 15 articles per keyword, and then move on to the next site.

Tell me that if I am patient then all of this work will eventually make good money.

Tell me why human nature wants such quick results and that most people don't make money online because they don't have the mental discipline.

Tell me that the people that say they are making $5 a day in just 2 weeks is exceptional and not the norm.

Tell me all of these things again because I need to hear them just one more time!

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- A Little Discouraged When I Know I Shouldn't Be

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ronb107

15 years ago

Ok.

Now that I've started XFactor's Adsense program, I need a decent tracking tool for both the movement within the website, and the clicks and profits.

Of course there is Google's Analytics and Adsense channels, but I would like more detailed and understandable info.

Two sites have come to my attention, and I hope others can give some feedback...

o AdsenseLog: tracks thru your Google Adsense account. Only limitation is that it tracks only one Adsense account. If you plan on having additional accounts, then this will not do.

o Adsense Detective: it tracks referral data, domains, urls (your pages), and clicks. It is hosted and costs $50 per month. It does not do the revenue side like AdsenseLog.

o Others?

Thanks for you help.

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togdil

15 years ago

Hi ronb107,

I didn't quite understand what you mean by:
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AdsenseLog: tracks thru your Google Adsense account. Only limitation is that it tracks only one Adsense account. If you plan on having additional accounts, then this will not do..

You can have only one Adsense account which you can use on any number of your sites.

That said, I would suggest statcounter.com for tracking visitors to your site.
I have been using it for years and find it highly useful as it gives lots of data such as where the visitors come from, the pages visited, keyword that got the visitor etc.

In fact I have found lots of long-tail keywords which I never optimized for but were bringing traffic to my sites.

And it is free if you are happy with 500 log records. More than that and you have to subscribe to its services.

Hope this helps

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ronb107

15 years ago

Originally Posted by togdil

Hi ronb107,

I didn't quite understand what you mean by:
.You can have only one Adsense account which you can use on any number of your sites.

That said, I would suggest statcounter.com for tracking visitors to your site.
I have been using it for years and find it highly useful as it gives lots of data such as where the visitors come from, the pages visited, keyword that got the visitor etc.

In fact I have found lots of long-tail keywords which I never optimized for but were bringing traffic to my sites.

And it is free if you are happy with 500 log records. More than that and you have to subscribe to its services.

Hope this helps

I appreciate the reply togdil.

There are a number of reasons why one would have multiple accounts to track, including servicing customers. So the ability to track across accounts would be helpful. As for the FREE AdSenseLog, I understand that multiple setups can be made, but each runs independently.

I already have a tracking system that provides the same data that StatCounter provides (thanks for the recommendation). It is helpful in locating unknown long-tails which we rank well for due to content.

Actually, what I would love to find is an adsense tracking system that will tell me when an ad is clicked on, what ad was clicked, the adsense size, and the adsense colors. Apparently there were many tracking programs available till Google changed its internal structure for generating adsense making it impossible to track (you just have to love Google).

There are some workarounds, but the accuracy is just not there. I suspect the best thing is to use a service like Chitika et al.

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WinsonYeung

15 years ago

Sure, let me tell you these again

it takes time to make money with Adsense.

it may take weeks or months for Google to find all of my backlinks even on PR5+ websites.

this is a long-term business and not a short-term money making scheme.

u can't expect to make money in just 2 weeks.

quit checking where my pages rank and my website stats everyday.

create a site, submit 15 articles per keyword, and then move on to the next site.

u are patient then all of this work will eventually make good money.

Originally Posted by aboutusnow

OK...somebody tell me again.

Tell me that it takes time to make money with Adsense.

Tell me that it may take weeks or months for Google to find all of my backlinks even on PR5+ websites.

Tell me that this is a long-term business and not a short-term money making scheme.

Tell me that I can't expect to make money in just 2 weeks.

Tell me to quit checking where my pages rank and my website stats everyday.

Tell me to create a site, submit 15 articles per keyword, and then move on to the next site.

Tell me that if I am patient then all of this work will eventually make good money.

Tell me why human nature wants such quick results and that most people don't make money online because they don't have the mental discipline.

Tell me that the people that say they are making $5 a day in just 2 weeks is exceptional and not the norm.

Tell me all of these things again because I need to hear them just one more time!

Signed
- A Little Discouraged When I Know I Shouldn't Be

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discrat

15 years ago

Originally Posted by aboutusnow

OK...somebody tell me again.

Tell me that it takes time to make money with Adsense.

Tell me that it may take weeks or months for Google to find all of my backlinks even on PR5+ websites.

Tell me that this is a long-term business and not a short-term money making scheme.

Tell me that I can't expect to make money in just 2 weeks.

Tell me to quit checking where my pages rank and my website stats everyday.

Tell me to create a site, submit 15 articles per keyword, and then move on to the next site.

Tell me that if I am patient then all of this work will eventually make good money.

Tell me why human nature wants such quick results and that most people don't make money online because they don't have the mental discipline.

Tell me that the people that say they are making $5 a day in just 2 weeks is exceptional and not the norm.

Tell me all of these things again because I need to hear them just one more time!

Signed
- A Little Discouraged When I Know I Shouldn't Be

Jesus , is this guy looney or what ??

After one week of starting in Oct. and he is complaining about not making money and needs reassurance.

Word of Advice : Grow a pair and realize it might take even a year or more to see significant results.

By the way where is the little bugger ? He starts a Journal type Thread and quits after 7 days ????

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15 years ago

His system works, and this forum is the best for info!

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dknyrob

15 years ago

I also just went out in got john's Adsense book! Gotta say it works and I'm putting it use as we speak. Starting out by working on 3 niches sites a week to I get the hang of it. Also using the outsource method for articles submitted to Ezine and writing my own content for the sites to speed up the process. Looking for some great results down the road.

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15 years ago

Great thread and I'm glad to see people taking action.

In my book I really try to give the advice of always add your own
mix, always test, always be willing to try new things.

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SaSeoPete

15 years ago

aboutusnow - It has only been two weeks. Take it easy my man, these things dont happen overnight. This is a very, very solid business plan, you are on the right track. Some sites make money quicker than others, thats just the way it is.

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InternetMarketingIQ

15 years ago

Seriously... take your articles... spin them just a bit and post them on HubPages... you'll make more money because they already have the respect of Google. So you get the PR Boost you need without taking a year to rank your own site.

Then use a couple of articles to point back to your hubpages content, build you rep, seed with affiliate links.

I'm not saying to stop what you are doing completely. Just if you want to make money now this will make more.

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edpudol1973

15 years ago

Hi John,

Quick question:

- Is it okey not to include those about us , privacy policy, and contact us page in our own sites?

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simpleadsense 15 years ago

You have to have the privacy policy to be Google compliant.
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Originally Posted by edpudol1973

- Is it okey not to include those about us , privacy policy, and contact us page in our own sites?

I'm not John, but you must have a privacy policy page on your site if you are using adsense, it's in the Terms Of Service.
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FlyinPianoMan

15 years ago

I think I have a mental block with working this plan. I am spending so much time trying to figure out if "non-relevant" links in my resource box are "ok", or not. I don't want to get penalized by google for this, and I'm concerned that all of my work will go to nothing...so instead of doing the work, I am searching and searching for an answer to this.

I see that John is saying that he has started to do relevant niche articles. Perhaps he knows something we don't about this. I think that's what's getting to me. I know it's probably been said in other forum posts, but please give me your feedback with this. I am quite happy writing articles...I just want to make sure I'm not doing it for nothing.

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Banned 15 years ago

Originally Posted by FlyinPianoMan

I think I have a mental block with working this plan. I am spending so much time trying to figure out if "non-relevant" links in my resource box are "ok", or not. I don't want to get penalized by google for this, and I'm concerned that all of my work will go to nothing...so instead of doing the work, I am searching and searching for an answer to this.

I see that John is saying that he has started to do relevant niche articles. Perhaps he knows something we don't about this. I think that's what's getting to me. I know it's probably been said in other forum posts, but please give me your feedback with this. I am quite happy writing articles...I just want to make sure I'm not doing it for nothing.

The only reason it's getting to you is because you're looking for an excuse to do nothing. If you're that concerned about it, why don't you just write on-topic articles? Problem solved.

Know what you should really be worried about? Ezinearticles banning/dropping articles that link to these type of sites. It's only a matter of time, because...well, EA is good like that.

In the meantime, stop over-analyzing, and take action. Don't worry about building 100 sites, just build one, and see how it goes.

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Kael41

15 years ago

You guys do know that you can:

1) build a site
2) promote it with backlinks from other sources OTHER THAN articles
3) profit

right? I know a lot of people get hung up on articles, writing, and promotion, but the web is a big place. You can look elsewhere for your site promotion backlinks. I've had sites built and placed on the first page of google with 3 weeks for my keyword/domain name site and all i had was 5 pages of content, 3 links back to my site from web 2.0 properties and voila - income generation.

The big caveat is all in how you do your upfront research. This is the step that many fail at. Tools like micro niche finder and market samurai help adsense income earners to cut through the research and find that hidden gem to create. At least for me. Yes, i can build a site and get listed on page one of google for a term that has amazon and walmart on page one as well.

But my seo campaign will be drastically different than a campaign that I employ for a keyword/domain that has almost no competition. Just some food for thought.

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W.P. Allen

15 years ago

You guys do know that you can:

1) build a site
2) promote it with backlinks from other sources OTHER THAN articles
3) profit

right? I know a lot of people get hung up on articles, writing, and promotion, but the web is a big place. You can look elsewhere for your site promotion backlinks. I've had sites built and placed on the first page of google with 3 weeks for my keyword/domain name site and all i had was 5 pages of content, 3 links back to my site from web 2.0 properties and voila - income generation.

The big caveat is all in how you do your upfront research. This is the step that many fail at. Tools like micro niche finder and market samurai help adsense income earners to cut through the research and find that hidden gem to create. At least for me. Yes, i can build a site and get listed on page one of google for a term that has amazon and walmart on page one as well.

But my seo campaign will be drastically different than a campaign that I employ for a keyword/domain that has almost no competition. Just some food for thought.

Hey Kael41 this is a little off topic but do you purchase a separate domain for each one of your sites or do you use a subdomain? I'm a prolific writer and could easily crank out two to three sites a day but purchasing a 10 dollar domain for each site would punch my wallet in the gut.

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nettech

15 years ago

Hi,

Why don't you just expand your existing sites with long tail targetted keywords that will make you money? Once you start generating the cash you can purchase the domains?

If you do your due dilligence correctly, you'll find that keyword rich domains do tend to rank quickly and its not long before the site pays for the domain name.

Good luck
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Hey Kael41 this is a little off topic but do you purchase a separate domain for each one of your sites or do you use a subdomain? I'm a prolific writer and could easily crank out two to three sites a day but purchasing a 10 dollar domain for each site would punch my wallet in the gut.

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Kael41

15 years ago

Hey W.
I purchase a new domain each time. 7$ and change through godaddy with appropriate coupon codes. If you're a writer, you're already ahead of the curve

Treat the cost of playing in the adsense game like you would any business expense. It takes money to make money

That being said, the more you do this, the more you'll start to spot those domain keyword opportunites more and more. Say, out of 10 domains i buy and put up, 3 MAY have a chance to not make ANY money in 2 months time.

But i don't focus on that. I look at the sites that do make money and analyze why i'm getting the traffic that I do and apply what i learn to my next sites. It's all cyclical

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Hey Kael41 this is a little off topic but do you purchase a separate domain for each one of your sites or do you use a subdomain? I'm a prolific writer and could easily crank out two to three sites a day but purchasing a 10 dollar domain for each site would punch my wallet in the gut.

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15 years ago

nice experience dude, btw what is John's ebook ?

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kislany

15 years ago

Ok I'm almost 3 months in this and here are my findings. The system works, period. However I've noticed that once the influx of articles has settled, the clicks on Adsense slow down (even though my site in the serps hasn't changed positions). I then write 1-2 more articles to Ezine and I get a higher number of clicks for a week or two again, and then it slows down again. Geez, this is a beast that needs constant feeding...

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7_8_shortcuts 15 years ago

Originally Posted by kislany

Geez, this is a beast that needs constant feeding...

I think so too, but... if you are getting a good result from these two articles, it could make sense to outsource the article writing, as long as you are making more than you are spending. This way you could put that on autopilot. Just a hint :-)
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Originally Posted by kislany

Geez, this is a beast that needs constant feeding...

Can´t you put a link on the new sites to the older sites so that, while you are building new sites, you are making links for the older sites (feed the beast) at the same time?
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15 years ago

Originally Posted by kislany

Ok I'm almost 3 months in this and here are my findings. The system works, period. However I've noticed that once the influx of articles has settled, the clicks on Adsense slow down (even though my site in the serps hasn't changed positions). I then write 1-2 more articles to Ezine and I get a higher number of clicks for a week or two again, and then it slows down again. Geez, this is a beast that needs constant feeding...

Are you referring to the approach that I use?

If so then perhaps you misunderstood my book or my posts.

I say that because if you are relying on clicks from article marketing
then yes, it will go up and down.

The goal is not to rely on articles like this, the goal is to get your sites
ranked for your main keyword (plus additional low-competition keywords).

However, even these low competitive rankings can take weeks or months
to stable out over time.

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kislany

15 years ago

No no, what I'm saying is that my site is in quotes #2 in Google and without quotes #3 and it's quite stable that way for the last 2 months or so. The Adsense clicks slow down to 1-2 people clicking on it per day for a total of maybe $1. When I add a new article at Ezine, for about 1-2 weeks after my clicks go up as much as $5 a day. Then it goes down again to $1 or less a day. Although I am not relying on article marketing for this, I was just noticing the higher number of clicks when a new article is approved at Eza, that's all...

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cherylmusicfreak

15 years ago

John or anyone who can help,

Are you choosing private domain name registration for all your domains? I didn't for my first domain and now am thinking of adding it and it's $10 per domain. (Maybe this was cheaper if I bought it initially). That really adds up.

Are many of you not bothering to do it? I know alot of people who have alot of sites are posing with fake names so if anyone looked on the Whois Database they would see that you're being fake and think you are scaming them. So I would imagine you are paying for it.

Until I get some money under my belt what's the best way to go about this. Pose as myself for the next few domains I make and then start using private domain registration or do you just use fake names anyway?

I think John uses a Reseller account at Hostgator. I'm going to sign up for it once I get enough sites. Using the reseller do you pay for private domain name registration in bulk or is it per domain as well? I couldn't find nothing online about this.

Thanks. I'm a newbie trying to find my way.

Cheryl

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sarasayshi

15 years ago

Originally Posted by cherylmusicfreak

John or anyone who can help,

Are you choosing private domain name registration for all your domains? I didn't for my first domain and now am thinking of adding it and it's $10 per domain. (Maybe this was cheaper if I bought it initially). That really adds up.

Are many of you not bothering to do it? I know alot of people who have alot of sites are posing with fake names so if anyone looked on the Whois Database they would see that you're being fake and think you are scaming them. So I would imagine you are paying for it.

Until I get some money under my belt what's the best way to go about this. Pose as myself for the next few domains I make and then start using private domain registration or do you just use fake names anyway?

I think John uses a Reseller account at Hostgator. I'm going to sign up for it once I get enough sites. Using the reseller do you pay for private domain name registration in bulk or is it per domain as well? I couldn't find nothing online about this.

Thanks. I'm a newbie trying to find my way.

Cheryl

I buy my domains at namecheap with free privacy registration for less than $9.00. I don't think you have to worry about people coming to your site and then looking up the WHOIS. The point is to attract people with the content and you are hoping that they are quick to hit your adsense ads, not nose around your site and go through the trouble of looking up the domain information. I am sure there are some very skeptical people that surf the web and perhaps check out the whois on every site but know that this is not the norm.

You do want private registration though. otherwise they will list your registered address, phone # and email and THAT is stuff you do not want floating around on the web.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by sarasayshi

You do want private registration though. otherwise they will list your registered address, phone # and email and THAT is stuff you do not want floating around on the web.

I know I am late to this thread but I thought I would just give a warning regarding private domain registrations. They are a joke. Or more correctly I suppose a marketing scam.

Private registrations are only good for denying your information to casual observers of your WHOIS record. Anybody who can make up a half way decent sounding reason for wanting your information can just request your data from your domain registrar and nine times out of ten it will be given to them.

DON'T rely on private domain registration to keep you private! It will help but it's by no means foolproof.

If you want to stay private, at the very least register your domains with privacy protection off shore. Outside the U.S. Registrars in other countries may not be as ready to divulge your private details as one's in the U.S. seem to be.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by cherylmusicfreak

John or anyone who can help,

Are you choosing private domain name registration for all your domains? I didn't for my first domain and now am thinking of adding it and it's $10 per domain. (Maybe this was cheaper if I bought it initially). That really adds up.

Always do private registrations. I use 1and1 for all my domains. I buy so many, they've called me on more than one occasion to make sure it was legit.

They have an insane special on .NET domains with Free privacy. I believe its $4.49 for another week only...

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Thanks alot guys.
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15 years ago

Originally Posted by kislany

No no, what I'm saying is that my site is in quotes #2 in Google and without quotes #3 and it's quite stable that way for the last 2 months or so. The Adsense clicks slow down to 1-2 people clicking on it per day for a total of maybe $1. When I add a new article at Ezine, for about 1-2 weeks after my clicks go up as much as $5 a day. Then it goes down again to $1 or less a day. Although I am not relying on article marketing for this, I was just noticing the higher number of clicks when a new article is approved at Eza, that's all...

You should be looking at your traffic, not the number of clicks. Adsense is all about driving traffic to a site that you can control the CTR on. Mix this with the research of CPC for your sites niche and you can estimate your average earnings. Tweak the layout to improve your CTR.

If your traffic drops off once your Ezine Articles are out of favour then your organic traffic isn't sufficient (if you are in a high SERPs) for the term and you need to find another one. Don't get disheartened when you have a dud keyword, just find another.

For anyone that is getting a bit anxious - I had a site that for about 4 months slowly moved up to $5/day. In the next 4 weeks it jumped to $20/day. Another 2 weeks and it now gets between $30 and $45 a day. It takes time for all of your backlinking to trickle through to your entire site. It is not until this happens that you can really analyse what words work and what don't. Also, once your site has aged it will be A LOT easier to rank for new terms without the need for extensive backlinking. I know that the course seems to be focused around thin sites but just keep in mind the potential for future expansion down the track.

While you wait you should be working on more sites and article - in a few months time you will look back and ask yourself why were you so impatient!

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Michael Gavre

15 years ago

Also, at GoDaddy, if you buy at least 5 domains at a time, they will give you free Privacy Registration.

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fir3d

15 years ago

I just joined the forum recently, and I am looking into buying xfactor's adsense course but I have a few questions about it before I dive in. I noticed that the existing thread on it is closed so I hope it is ok if I post here.

For any of you that have already purchased it, I don't want you to reveal anything that would be compromise the course but I would like to know that this product complies with adsense terms before I buy it.

I have seen quite a few adsense ebooks with information about adsense placement in order to get a high ctr and they usually put the adsense block right under the title of the main page.

adsense.blogspot.com/2008/03/another-look-at-optimizations.html

Please take a look at that page and let me know if it is not violating this rule. I don't want to spend money on something that is based on things against adsense guidelines.

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sarasayshi

15 years ago

Originally Posted by fir3d

I just joined the forum recently, and I am looking into buying xfactor's adsense course but I have a few questions about it before I dive in. I noticed that the existing thread on it is closed so I hope it is ok if I post here.

For any of you that have already purchased it, I don't want you to reveal anything that would be compromise the course but I would like to know that this product complies with adsense terms before I buy it.

I have seen quite a few adsense ebooks with information about adsense placement in order to get a high ctr and they usually put the adsense block right under the title of the main page.

adsense.blogspot.com/2008/03/another-look-at-optimizations.html

Please take a look at that page and let me know if it is not violating this rule. I don't want to spend money on something that is based on things against adsense guidelines.

If you follow what John suggests in the ebook you will be fine. From what I see on that link you posted, that is a violation because it is tricking the visitor to click on the ads. That website shows the website creators links followed by an adsense block and then more website created links.

In John's book, we are not tricking the visitor. The ad is made to stand out on it's own with no confusion.

It is honestly a great book and you won't be sorry about your purchase.

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StevenR

15 years ago

My system is slightly different than John's, but I've experienced similar results to him.
After reading some of the posts in this thread, I wanted to comment on something that can "kill" your niche content site business.

Speaking from experience, one of the major pitfalls that one may (or perhaps will) fall into is "overanalysis". In other words, building a few sites then getting wrapped up with minutia of those sites (nursing them to make them rank in the SERPS).

The trick with micro niche content site promotion is to keep building sites without "worrying" about what's happening with the site you put up yesterday.

My advice is that once you've done the work as laid out in the plan... move on to the next site. Check traffic stats once a week or two, if you find that nothing is happening point more links (write more articles or what not) to your site and let it sit for another week or so... while you build more sites.

Eventually your sites will "catch up" and you'll start to see more traffic and some revenue come in.

I'm all for getting the most out of each site (and tracking and analyzing data) but you won't know what that is until the site has matured in the search engines. This business is about taking massive action and having "faith" in the system.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by StevenR

My system is slightly different than John's, but I've experienced similar results to him.
After reading some of the posts in this thread, I wanted to comment on something that can "kill" your niche content site business.

Speaking from experience, one of the major pitfalls that one may (or perhaps will) fall into is "overanalysis". In other words, building a few sites then getting wrapped up with minutia of those sites (nursing them to make them rank in the SERPS).

The trick with micro niche content site promotion is to keep building sites without "worrying" about what's happening with the site you put up yesterday.

My advice is that once you've done the work as laid out in the plan... move on to the next site. Check traffic stats once a week or two, if you find that nothing is happening point more links (write more articles or what not) to your site and let it sit for another week or so... while you build more sites.

Eventually your sites will "catch up" and you'll start to see more traffic and some revenue come in.

I'm all for getting the most out of each site (and tracking and analyzing data) but you won't know what that is until the site has matured in the search engines. This business is about taking massive action and having "faith" in the system.

Have fun!
Steven

You are so right Steven. In fact I think they should set up a group similar to AA for those of us who get addicted to checking our adsense account lol

Build a site, promote it and move on to the next. Now I just need to keep repeating that to myself to get it to sink in :rolleyes:

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by StevenR

My system is slightly different than John's, but I've experienced similar results to him.
After reading some of the posts in this thread, I wanted to comment on something that can "kill" your niche content site business.

Speaking from experience, one of the major pitfalls that one may (or perhaps will) fall into is "overanalysis". In other words, building a few sites then getting wrapped up with minutia of those sites (nursing them to make them rank in the SERPS).

The trick with micro niche content site promotion is to keep building sites without "worrying" about what's happening with the site you put up yesterday.

My advice is that once you've done the work as laid out in the plan... move on to the next site. Check traffic stats once a week or two, if you find that nothing is happening point more links (write more articles or what not) to your site and let it sit for another week or so... while you build more sites.

Eventually your sites will "catch up" and you'll start to see more traffic and some revenue come in.

I'm all for getting the most out of each site (and tracking and analyzing data) but you won't know what that is until the site has matured in the search engines. This business is about taking massive action and having "faith" in the system.

Have fun!
Steven

Some good advice there because even though you may have a system in place to rank sites well in the SERPS there are still numerous factors outside of your control and each site will behave differently which is why I like to build 5 - 10 at a time and then have a look at your results in terms of commission and SERPS. Never build 1 or 2 and become over analytical wondering why your SEO system is not working.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by StevenR

My advice is that once you've done the work as laid out in the plan... move on to the next site. Check traffic stats once a week or two, if you find that nothing is happening point more links (write more articles or what not) to your site and let it sit for another week or so... while you build more sites.

Eventually your sites will "catch up" and you'll start to see more traffic and some revenue come in.

Steven

Fantastic advice Steven!

I personally solved my over-analysis through outsourcing. I now have a full time person who puts up one site after another, because I personally couldn't keep on doing it as consistently. Always got sidetracked. Consistency is definitely the way to go :-)

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by StevenR

The trick with micro niche content site promotion is to keep building sites without "worrying" about what's happening with the site you put up yesterday.

Well said Steven, I completely agree. Your next site just might be the one that carries the day when the others are bouncing around.

I have a list of niche sites I'm rolling out in the next week. I don't know which one of them will break out of the pack, but I can almost be assured, that one of them will. The other 4 might not be *day savers* but they will likely pay for themselves many times over in the long run.

(I have a few of what I call "day savers" and these are the sites that make me smile at the end of the day, because I can almost always count on them to compensate for lower performing sites. It's almost as if it were orchestrated that way by the "adsense angels" if I didn't know better :-)

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sarasayshi

15 years ago

Originally Posted by StevenR

My system is slightly different than John's, but I've experienced similar results to him.
After reading some of the posts in this thread, I wanted to comment on something that can "kill" your niche content site business.

Speaking from experience, one of the major pitfalls that one may (or perhaps will) fall into is "overanalysis". In other words, building a few sites then getting wrapped up with minutia of those sites (nursing them to make them rank in the SERPS).

This business is about taking massive action and having "faith" in the system.

I just had this same conversation with an IM friend of mine. I was telling him how I was thinking of maybe going back and just adding content to my already completed sites that are now about 3 weeks old and he pretty much told me the same as you, in that I need to forget about those sites and just continue whipping out more sites.

Originally Posted by 7_8_shortcuts

Fantastic advice Steven!

I personally solved my over-analysis through outsourcing. I now have a full time person who puts up one site after another, because I personally couldn't keep on doing it as consistently. Always got sidetracked. Consistency is definitely the way to go :-)

haha, that is awesome. I have outsourced all my content for my sites. This helps me to just get through the other junk like actually getting the sites up, social bookmarking, pinging RSS feeds and getting my articles submitted for back links. If it wasn't for me outsourcing even the content part of this, I would be lucky to get 1 site done a week.

I can't wait until I can get to the point of outsourcing even more of the stuff I do now.

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Originally Posted by sarasayshi

I can't wait until I can get to the point of outsourcing even more of the stuff I do now.

Hehe, little by little it will come :-)
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15 years ago

i think from now, you should build backlinks for your webiste, so seo for your blog, and then you can see the effect, seo is a long term business, like we always say Rome is not built in one day, so , you should do seo, fresh your blog everyday, then, someday, you can see the effect

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shaggard

15 years ago

Reading these post makes me feel better. I have the sites up. I feel discouraged because they have made any money yet and I dont quite get it. I would think someone would have clicked something by now.

I have been at it a month and got a few sites up and would think someone would have clicked something. Well one site got one click one ad for a whopping 19 cents. But still I am going to keep at it. It has to work. How is it possible not to work? Statistically it has to

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by shaggard

Reading these post makes me feel better. I have the sites up. I feel discouraged because they have made any money yet and I dont quite get it. I would think someone would have clicked something by now.

I have been at it a month and got a few sites up and would think someone would have clicked something. Well one site got one click one ad for a whopping 19 cents. But still I am going to keep at it. It has to work. How is it possible not to work? Statistically it has to

On the contrary, statistically it can also be a failure if you are not
getting the people to come to your site that are looking for the
products/services that your site is about.

What I mean is that if you have a site up for that long, and
getting targeted traffic each and every day, and no earnings...
then something is terribly wrong.

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togdil

15 years ago

I subscribed to John's course two days back and here is what it has done for me without doing anything:

It has taken out the fear of keyword research - something which has always confused me and I was never good at though I have sites which rank on 1st page of Google for many keywords - some of which I never optimized for. In fact I am a rank newbie as far as serious IM and SEO is concerned so I wonder how I hit upon these keywords - perhaps that was beginner's luck working for me. Now with John's method, I feel that it will be a breeze because I don't have to use lots of keyword tools and calculate too many parameters.

Getting backlinks doesn't look a big task now. Bookmarking social sites has never been my thing though I have done it a little. Posting comments to relevant blogs also puts me off. With what John says now it seems easy. This is because I like writing. I have been doing this since my teens for magazines and newspapers. And when I started my sites, I have done all my writing myself. No borrowed content. However what I was afraid of was that I would have to churn out article after article on my niche but what John says suits me. I can write original articles on my chosen subjects without much difficulty. This is why all of my sites have original content written by me.

New Insight into Adsense: I have been using Adsense since long. But after reading John's course, I have got a new insight on how to use Adsense to earn good income with the program.

So while starting my niche sites I am going to test John's recommendations on my existing sites and see what results I get.

And yes let me tell you that subscribing to the course was a big decision for a newbie like me. I didn't have enough money to do that and I missed the boat when John was offering it at a discount but I am glad I was able to manage it somehow.

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togdil

15 years ago

Ron,
Here is one more: ClickAider Click Tracking System: Advertise with Confidence

I was using it some time back and if I remember it right, it used to give me the adsense formats which were clicked and who clicked it kind of information.

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ronb107

15 years ago

Originally Posted by togdil

Ron,
Here is one more: ClickAider Click Tracking System: Advertise with Confidence

I was using it some time back and if I remember it right, it used to give me the adsense formats which were clicked and who clicked it kind of information.

Thanks togdill. I'll check it out.

Btw, if there is anyone else successfully using an AdSense Tracking program, please let me know.

I may just go to Chitika if they can be tracked easily.

Ron

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buzzpoint

15 years ago

Originally Posted by togdil

Ron,
Here is one more: [ClickAider Click Tracking System: Advertise with Confidence]

I was using it some time back and if I remember it right, it used to give me the adsense formats which were clicked and who clicked it kind of information.

Is that free?

Sajid

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togdil 15 years ago

Originally Posted by buzzpoint

Is that free?

Sajid

I think so. I never had to pay anything for using it.

Just now I looked at it to answer your question and saw that you can create a new account at Sign Up! :: Click Tracking System and there was nothing about paid membership or anything like that.

However,you would do well to browse the site.
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Originally Posted by buzzpoint

Is that free?

Sajid

Yes, it is free.

Not sure how active they are in support. While the system is robust, there is no direct ability to drill down from overall info to detail info (this is all done thru menu selection).

Also noticed that if I had two AdSense ads on the page, the system thinks that the adsense group clicked is the last in the HTML. This is an error which I sent to them (waiting to hear back).

But, yes it is FREE.
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Tiz724

15 years ago

Newbie here and about 6 weeks in following Johns plan. Have 4 sites on first page for google but none higher than 6th place, so not many click thrus from search yet at all . I had been submitting articles as discussed and then moving on to new sites waiting for the anchor links to get indexed before working sites further.

Is anyone else not having goarticles submissions being indexed by google? I have over 10 there and I am not seeing any indexed. What am I missing?

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15 years ago

that's good method this is a diffrent

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15 years ago

Yes, my goarticles are not indexed too. Seems a bit weird what's happening. I didn't have that before.

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jes_bad 15 years ago

Originally Posted by Congrats

Yes, my goarticles are not indexed too. Seems a bit weird what's happening. I didn't have that before.

I noticed that on a few occasions, quite recently, that GoArticles has requested a captcha verification to view the article. Maybe that is why some articles are not getting indexed by Goog. The only reason I discovered this was that I was trying to bookmark a live article in GoArticles, it was not bookmarking correctly. When I manually went to the article, it requested a captcha verification.

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  I have stopped using goarticles all together.. and just social mark and rss to get indexed and submit all articles to ezine.
  
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  Originally Posted by ladyfoster
  
  I have stopped using goarticles all together.. and just social mark and rss to get indexed and submit all articles to ezine.
  
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15 years ago

It appears not a soul is making money with this method after many months. Where are those comments?

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by jeswarrior

It appears not a soul is making money with this method after many months. Where are those comments?

You're not a member of my private forum then.

We have an entire section devoted to success stories, with some
reaching the $100 per day mark.

Also, like the previous poster said - making money from niches
like this is nothing new - been going on since 2003

- John

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by XFactor

We have an entire section devoted to success stories, with some
reaching the $100 per day mark.
- John

John,
I am using your strategy of article marketing and find that this way I have been able to write more articles in 2 weeks than I did in nearly two years. And without revealing anything for obvious reasons I can say that it works.

Yes, I am seriously thinking of joining your private form and will possibly do that before the end of the month. I am sending you a pm regarding this.

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sherlock116

15 years ago

For those of you who are struggling to write articles for you article marketing I suggest you take a look at Textbroker dot com.
This is the cheapest article writing service I have found and, depending which pricing level you choose, the standard of writing is pretty good. You can get an article written for as little as $5 so it is significantly cheaper than hiring a copywriter.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by sherlock116

For those of you who are struggling to write articles for you article marketing I suggest you take a look at Textbroker dot com.
This is the cheapest article writing service I have found and, depending which pricing level you choose, the standard of writing is pretty good. You can get an article written for as little as $5 so it is significantly cheaper than hiring a copywriter.

Why not support fellow warriors? Plenty of article writers for that same price in the Warriors for Hire forum.

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sherlock116 15 years ago

I'm quite new to the forum so I haven't explored that section yet. I'll take a look.

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Fraggler

15 years ago

People have been making money using similar methods for years.

If you are aren't making any money from the method then you need to find out what the problem is before anyone can help you. Are you lacking 1st page SERP's? Low paying clicks? Low CTR? Low Traffic?

AdSense is such a simple concept that the only way you will learn is by analysing where you are going wrong and taking action.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by ProductCreator

Sorry, can anyone comment on this? I'm wondering whether I should just write long tail on-topic articles instead. At least this way, I can leave the main keywords alone. Only problem is it takes ages to write such articles.

I do both.

But lately I've been experimenting with Linkvana and several other
article directores, not to mention mass article submissions.

Soon the results will enable me to write about them for my course
customers.

- John

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brittlesnc

15 years ago

John,

Is your 7-Day Plan outlined in your ebook not working as well as it used to the reason why you are looking at mass article submission, LinkVana, and the like? Because I remember you kinda discouraging using software that does mass article submission correct me if I'm wrong

Also, it sounds like you're really starting to change your opinion about writing articles that are on the topic of your website. Not to say that you discouraged it before, it just seemed that you didn't concern yourself with it too much and preferred to write on topics you liked and/or knew alot about.

Moreover, never thought to ask this before and tell me if I'm out of line for this but...when you started making $300-$400 a day in 6 months, did you mean in a grand total of 6 months? Or was it more like it took you a certain amount of time say 6 months to set up your 45 sites and then 6 months after that is when you started seeing that sort of income? Not to mention I think that figure included the 1 big health site you had so really your other sites aside from that one combine to bring in $200-$300 a day right?

I ask because I figured that if you could make $300-$400 a day in 6 months following your 7-Day Plan as an experienced Publisher that someone that's fairly inexperienced as myself could make $50-$100 a day in 6 months following the same plan. Is this a very reasonable expectation or would I be lucky to get to that point following the plan?

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by brittlesnc

John,

Is your 7-Day Plan outlined in your ebook not working as well as it used to the reason why you are looking at mass article submission, LinkVana, and the like? Because I remember you kinda discouraging using software that does mass article submission correct me if I'm wrong

Also, it sounds like you're really starting to change your opinion about writing articles that are on the topic of your website. Not to say that you discouraged it before, it just seemed that you didn't concern yourself with it too much and preferred to write on topics you liked and/or knew alot about.

Moreover, never thought to ask this before and tell me if I'm out of line for this but...when you started making $300-$400 a day in 6 months, did you mean in a grand total of 6 months? Or was it more like it took you a certain amount of time say 6 months to set up your 45 sites and then 6 months after that is when you started seeing that sort of income? Not to mention I think that figure included the 1 big health site you had so really your other sites aside from that one combine to bring in $200-$300 a day right?

I ask because I figured that if you could make $300-$400 a day in 6 months following your 7-Day Plan as an experienced Publisher that someone that's fairly inexperienced as myself could make $50-$100 a day in 6 months following the same plan. Is this a very reasonable expectation or would I be lucky to get to that point following the plan?

Good questions:

1) I still use and will always use article marketing as my #1 way of
website promotion.

Linkvana is just another form of article marketing as my sites are getting
to be a large number.

I have no idea where you read that I mass submit articles, so I cannot
comment on that.

2) I have always written articles on-topic for my niches and then I realized
I could do just as well with not writing on-topic. Now I'm back writing for
my niches.

Which do you like better? Whatever it is, go that route.

3) From late 2005 to late 2007 I used auto-generated software and some
very crazy black hat techniques to earn my Adsense income. I think I
owned and lost about 700 domains or something like that.

Once I wanted to build long-term sites then I did so using the same simple
formula I use today: Niches + article marketing.

I was able to triple my income in 6 months because I worked my ass off
during that time, focusing on easy-to-rank-for niches.

You may or may not be able to see the same results. A few do, but I was
also writing up to 16 or more hours in a day, working 5-6 days per week,
for 5 years now, give or take.

- John

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jeswarrior

15 years ago

Is anybody making any money? Haven't read any such comments. Xfactor says so in his secret forum but not here? Strange.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by jeswarrior

Is anybody making any money? Haven't read any such comments. Xfactor says so in his secret forum but not here? Strange.

Irritatingly, this is the second time you suggest that no-one is making money using Xfactor techniques.

I am making money. Adsense rules do not permit people to talk about their specific CTR and amounts. If you search carefully though, you will find that many people make money using adsense.

As for Johns forum, it is not a "secret forum" at all. People can join it, for a fee. No secret!

If you are not making money using Xfactor methods well perhaps you are not putting them into place in the right way.

If you have a specific problem, why not let us know? Then we will help you address it.

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jeswarrior 15 years ago

Originally Posted by Gale10

Irritatingly, this is the second time you suggest that no-one is making money using Xfactor techniques.

Never said such a thing. Weak.

Originally Posted by Gale10

I am making money. Adsense rules do not permit people to talk about their specific CTR and amounts.

Oh please that's weak! Never asked about CTR anyway.

Originally Posted by Gale10

If you search carefully though, you will find that many people make money using adsense.

Weak.

Originally Posted by Gale10

As for Johns forum, it is not a "secret forum" at all. People can join it, for a fee. No secret!

Ok for a fee.

Originally Posted by Gale10

If you are not making money using Xfactor methods well perhaps you are not putting them into place in the right way.

I just asked a question. I never said I'm not making any money.

Originally Posted by Gale10

If you have a specific problem, why not let us know? Then we will help you address it.

Thanks. I just asked a question. I'm trying to find out if this is really working for people and are seeing any money from it.
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djleon1

15 years ago

I am not sure why people think this doesn't work. Adsense isn't some secret method, mlm, list buidling, guru method.

You build a websute and put adsense on it - this works for millions of websites.

Now if you do some research to find a niche, keywords, themes, content, plug-ins, link building why people may actually go to your damn site and click on adsense - how freakin mystifying.

There is nothing secret about this.

I bought John's book a few months ago and have about 8 sites making around $220 a month combined and none are in the top 5 of serps so there is plenty of room to grow.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by djleon1

I am not sure why people think this doesn't work. Adsense isn't some secret method, mlm, list buidling, guru method.

You build a websute and put adsense on it - this works for millions of websites.

Now if you do some research to find a niche, keywords, themes, content, plug-ins, link building why people may actually go to your damn site and click on adsense - how freakin mystifying.

There is nothing secret about this.

I bought John's book a few months ago and have about 8 sites making around $220 a month combined and none are in the top 5 of serps so there is plenty of room to grow.

Yeah, Adsense is pretty simple. The trick is getting thin sites to rank top and keeping it there. Also, dealing with a ton of sites, ton of keywords, lose of ranking, backlinks, SB, etc.. Also dealing with Google's fake search result numbers everybody use. Every once in a while a thread pops up here on WF complaining "Google Keyword Tool said my keyword was searched [keyword] 10,000 times but I'm the first listing on first page and I get a visitor a month even though I have a very targeted and interesting title". That's why I'm asking if somebody is making any money. I'm trying to get a conversation on this topic here guys. It will also inspire the newbies if people report positive experiences.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by jeswarrior

Is anybody making any money? Haven't read any such comments. Xfactor says so in his secret forum but not here? Strange.

You ask if people are making money. For the second time, yes.

You haven't read such comments - then you haven't looked hard enough, there are comments on this forum.

What is "strange" is:

*You keep asking the same question.

*Your attachment to the word "weak".

*You don't seem to be trying to make anything work, so what are you doing on this forum?

For the last time I suggest that, if you have a specific problem, let us know and we will help if we can.

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jeswarrior

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Gale10

You ask if people are making money. For the second time, yes.

You haven't read such comments - then you haven't looked hard enough, there are comments on this forum.

What is "strange" is:

*You keep asking the same question.

*Your attachment to the word "weak".

*You don't seem to be trying to make anything work, so what are you doing on this forum?

For the last time I suggest that, if you have a specific problem, let us know and we will help if we can.

Best wishes,

Ruth

Weak. That's just ridiculous. I keep asking the same question because nobody answers. I'm trying to get a conversation here about whether members are making money with this system not just "yes people are making money" from a post from you which means nothing. I'm interested in individual experiences.

Guys, you are hurting Xfactor's sales with these comments. If I were a newbie I'd be glued to this thread after your silly responses to my question.

I don't need help but thank you very much for offering it.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by jeswarrior

I keep asking the same question because nobody answers. I'm trying to get a conversation here about whether members are making money with this system not just "yes people are making money" from a post from you which means nothing. I'm interested in individual experiences.

Ok, so you are looking for specific testimonials basically? Not just a "Yes, I make money" reponse.
But just from the tone of your posts, you seem to have a negative view on the method. And I will agree with many people that have posted before, that this method isn't something brand new, complicated, or brilliant. That's why so many people are saying "Why wouldn't it work?".
It's a simple formula. If you play your cards right and put the work into each step, you should make something.

I have 1 site, very new, in a highly competitive (not as specific as I would like) niche, 0 backlinks, simple site with very good content, and it's making money.
I have plans for 2nd site where more KW reasearch was done and the keyword has virtually no competition and a few thousand searches/month. I'll let everyone know how that goes.

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jeswarrior

15 years ago

Originally Posted by big_t

I have 1 site, very new, in a highly competitive (not as specific as I would like) niche, 0 backlinks, simple site with very good content, and it's making money.
I have plans for 2nd site where more KW reasearch was done and the keyword has virtually no competition and a few thousand searches/month. I'll let everyone know how that goes.

There we go! That's the type of posts I was trying to trigger. Thanks Big_T. Keep posting your experience guys.

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brittlesnc

15 years ago

Originally Posted by XFactor

I do both.

But lately I've been experimenting with Linkvana and several other
article directores, not to mention mass article submissions.

Soon the results will enable me to write about them for my course
customers.

- John

I was pretty certain I read a comment about you trying mass article submissions---here it is. But thanks for your email support, you have been so great about answering my questions that I'm sure must be pretty tedious for you at times

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by brittlesnc

I was pretty certain I read a comment about you trying mass article submissions---here it is. But thanks for your email support, you have been so great about answering my questions that I'm sure must be pretty tedious for you at times

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Ah ok, but the key phrase there is experimenting.

Mass submissions did not work to my liking.

All of this I'm writing about for the course update, especially Linkvana
and a very cool article writing software program (not a spinner).

- John

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Marfling

15 years ago

For gods sake, use your common sense...

If you knew the slightest thing about SEO, you wouldnt need other peoples proof that the ideas in his book work. You know why theres not 100 people on this forum shouting and sceaming about how much they are making? Because by they are far too busy researching and writing for their own business.

Tell me why it shouldnt work? -

Find a niche with little competition and reasonable searches.
Build a site based on the KW
Build backlinks
Tweak depending on CTR etc

Even if a few people did chime in and said they were making $20/$50/$100 per day - you wouldnt believe them so your just wasting your time - go and try and make your own conclusions...

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jeswarrior

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Marfling

For gods sake, use your common sense...

If you knew the slightest thing about SEO, you wouldnt need other peoples proof that the ideas in his book work. You know why theres not 100 people on this forum shouting and sceaming about how much they are making? Because by they are far too busy researching and writing for their own business.

Tell me why it shouldnt work? -

Find a niche with little competition and reasonable searches.
Build a site based on the KW
Build backlinks
Tweak depending on CTR etc

Even if a few people did chime in and said they were making $20/$50/$100 per day - you wouldnt believe them so your just wasting your time - go and try and make your own conclusions...

Weak. Very weak. Tell my why it shouldn't work? Hey seo genius, did you know that to start with you are using a keyword tool that is not even meant for seo but for Adwords? So your search numbers are fake.

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Marfling

15 years ago

Shock horror, GKT was developed for Adwords - thanks for pointing that one out.

Search numbers are working very nicely for me thanks and I dont just rely on one tool for KW reseach.

Seriously though, if you doubt the business model that much just find another one that you like :-)

Originally Posted by jeswarrior

Weak. Very weak. Tell my why it shouldn't work? Hey seo genius, did you know that to start with you are using a keyword tool that is not even meant for seo but for Adwords? So your search numbers are fake.

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jeswarrior

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Marfling

Shock horror, GKT was developed for Adwords - thanks for pointing that one out.

You still don't get it Marfling. Those numbers are not actual search done on Google.com

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Marfling

15 years ago

Last months 6 niche sites that went straight to page one (top 7) must have been utter fluke then? I think ill stick with GKT whilst you sit on the forum doing nothing but hijacking peoples threads.

Originally Posted by jeswarrior

You still don't get it Marfling. Those numbers are not actual search done on Google.com

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jeswarrior

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Marfling

Last months 6 niche sites that went straight to page one (top 7) must have been utter fluke then? I think ill stick with GKT

What does one thing have to do with the other? We are talking about search numbers here, not rankings. Using GKT keywords without testing them with Adwords is just silly. You are working on faith. No wonder you see many newbies posting their frustrated stories on these forums after getting top listing and getting a couple of hits per day. They lay their foundations wrong. They don't do keyword research correctly.

whilst you sit on the forum doing nothing but hijacking peoples threads.

Weak. I got my own big flag site making me money with adsense and Amazon as I write this. This system peaked my interest but I see that it is a ton of work. Not highjacking threads. My posts are relevant and thread was dead and highjacked already when I wrote my first post. You just need to know how to read Marfling.

I can tell you aren't making any money with this system. Or am I wrong?

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Marfling

15 years ago

Originally Posted by jeswarrior

What does one thing have to do with the other? We are talking about search numbers here, not rankings. Unless I'm missing something here...

Weak. I got my own big flag site making me money with adsense and Amazon as I write this. This system peaked my interest but I see that it is a ton of work. Not highjacking threads. My posts are relevant and thread was dead and highjacked already when I wrote my first post. You just need to know how to read Marfling.

I can tell you aren't making any money with this system. Or am I wrong?

You questioned my use of GKT as a basis to build my sites, I am telling you this is what I use and the traffic I see is pretty consistent with the figures it quoted me. My earnings hover between $50-$65 per day through Adsense and about 30% comes from niche sites.

Wait, dont tell me...."Weak".

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jeswarrior

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Marfling

My earnings hover between $50-$65 per day through Adsense and about 30% comes from niche sites.

Well I'll be damned! lol! What took you so long Marfling? I shot at your feet and I swear you just danced for me! Now we talking! Good stuff, good stuff... So what's your secret?

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by jeswarrior

Well I'll be damned! lol! What took you so long Marfling? I shot at your feet and I swear you just danced for me! Now we talking! Good stuff, good stuff... So what's your secret?

Ha! Just work, no secret :-)

If you are worried about having to maintain sites that start dropping, outsource some articles or bookmarking?

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15 years ago

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Heimir Finnson

15 years ago

I'm making money with the "Xfactor Method"!

Although I don't want to call it that, its really just my method.
I started out with a plan similar to Xfactor's but I've edited and changed it a lot since I started.
I do article marketing like him, but I do more than that for backlinks.

I'm certainly not making a lot of money, but that's not my main focus atm.
My focus is on keep building sites and promoting them, income comes later.
My income has however been slowly rising each week.

It's a long term plan and I plan growing the winners and flipping the "losers".

This method works, just like most IM methods. The "secret" is persistence and patience.
I have spent almost a year now going from this method to the next and made just few $'s.

From now on, I will stick to this method and nothing else.

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Oling

15 years ago

Another X-factor beneficiaries.... Just like me! I did not buy John's ebook but I followed hi thread and it was almost like buying the real stuff

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Radix

15 years ago

Yes the system works and will make you money. It isn't rocket science and honestly nothing John reveals in his books hasn't been posted a dozen times or more on WF by John or others. The guide John sells is the BEST guide I have found on the topic. I'm sure someone will make a better one...I believe John has something up his sleeve to that effect.

This system is work. If you want quick money with little effort, head over to BHW and see how far you get with your whiny repetitive posts demanding to be spoon fed.

You get out of it what you put into it. Slack off and it's a slow boat to China. Bust your a$$ and you'll be rewarded quickly and often.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by Radix

The guide John sells is the BEST guide I have found on the topic. I'm sure someone will make a better one...I believe John has something up his sleeve to that effect.

Yes this guide is one of the best WSO's I have seen to date, it works if you work it. John has a forum for buyers of the guide they can join to support each other. And yes he is currently working on a new updated version of the guide book.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by Radix

...head over to BHW and see how far you get with your whiny repetitive posts demanding to be spoon fed.

Whiny repetitive posts?

Hmm...forgive me but I just don't see it. I have little clue as to the reactions of some posters to the OP in this thread. I mean has he stepped on some kind of sacred toe around here?

Sure, he may not understand some things.
Maybe he is a bit unwilling to see things as clearly as you and I might be.
Perhaps he doesn't even speak English real well.
It's possible that he is leaning toward being spoon fed a tad.

Don't know but...even IF all that is true (which I am not saying it is)...so what!?

It's no skin off my back or anybody else's for that matter. If you or others don't like what he is saying or implying just ignore it or at the very least perhaps show a bit more civility and restraint (something John himself corrected me on recently).

I mean I don't personally feel a need to blast the OP with some barb's aimed straight at him. Why do some of you feel the need to do that? I just don't get it.

To the OP...you stick to your guns and say whatever you feel a need to say. If you get great input...great. If not then stick around, read, and post another thread regarding what you want to say if you feel a need to so so. Or go to another less intense forum perhaps. Just a thought.

This place can get like an ocean infested with sharks who smell blood sometimes or so it seems. Not referring to everyone but sometimes it does seem to lean in that direction.

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15 years ago

No Carlos, it is an issue. There is an entire page of what had been a very useful thread that is now filled with useless back and forth nonsense.

People ask a lot of questions around here as they should. However, if someone takes the time to answer you and you don't understand it, maybe you need to reword your question. Not ask the same thing over and over again until you get the answer you want.

I don't get the impression English is an issue with the person in question.

I think the mass majority of us are very patient and helpful on WF, but come on. It's pretty obvious this has turned into a game of semantics in order for someone to run their post count up or whatever it is he's doing.

And the OP is fine...he's not the person I'm speaking of.

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carlos123

15 years ago

Radix...I acknowledge that there is a problem in this thread. No question. And sorry about my mixup regarding the OP. I've read through most of this thread piecemeal as I get emails telling me a new post has been made and I must have mixed up who said what.

All I am saying is that perhaps some of us are being a bit uneccessarily harsh in our responses. That doesn't help anyone and makes this place seem more like a forum full of sharks waiting to pounce than anything else.

Most people here are very patient and greatly helpful. I know because I've made my own share of less than intelligent posts. But responses that bite and devour whoever are not helpful.

That's all I am saying. Take it for what it's worth. Nothing personal.

Carlos

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by carlos123

Radix...I acknowledge that there is a problem in this thread. No question. And sorry about my mixup regarding the OP. I've read through most of this thread piecemeal as I get emails telling me a new post has been made and I must have mixed up who said what.

All I am saying is that perhaps some of us are being a bit uneccessarily harsh in our responses. That doesn't help anyone and makes this place seem more like a forum full of sharks waiting to pounce than anything else.

Most people here are very patient and greatly helpful. I know because I've made my own share of less than intelligent posts. But responses that bite and devour whoever are not helpful.

That's all I am saying. Take it for what it's worth. Nothing personal.

Carlos

It's the internet, I don't take anything personally. I have taken advantage of tons of info from this forum. Every day I come here like everyone else to learn something new. When I see someone deliberately killing a thread especially one regarding this method, I gotta say something. This is one of the few truly noob friendly methods out there. Attempts to belittle, devalue or degrade this system are misleading and in essence possibly depriving someone who really needs a break the opportunity to try something fool proof. It's just not necessary and not in the spirit of WF.

I'm not lecturing, just explaining my uncommon nastiness.

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jeswarrior

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Radix

When I see someone deliberately killing a thread especially one regarding this method, I gotta say something.

Post proof of that. Man you are worse than a nagging wife. I inserted a nickel and you sure gave me $20 worth! How would I be killing this thread? You sure didn't like my question.

Originally Posted by Radix

Attempts to belittle, devalue or degrade this system are misleading and in essence possibly depriving someone who really needs a break the opportunity to try something fool proof.

Who attempted to belittle, devalue or degrade this system? Please tell me. Post evidence. I just asked a simple question to know if people are making money with this system. Chill out man. That's also your opinion.

Edit: Now I know what got you really ticked off Radix. It was my comment about Google Keyword Tool wasn't it. Did I crush your dreams? Sorry, that's just facts. That tool was not meant for Seo. I use the tool too but I test keywords with Adwords for impressions excluding the content network. I've taken keywords from google keyword tool with 15000 + exact matches and when I put them through the Adwords test I get 2 impressions per day first page.

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oceanfeather

15 years ago

A bummer - I was doing really well with half a dozen sites, someone at Google has taken a dislike to me though and shut down my account with the very helpful reason: "While going through our records recently, we found that your AdSense account has posed a significant risk to our AdWords advertisers." No explanation as to what this means, or what I did wrong, just the arbitrary slap...

Have launched an appeal, see what happens

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7_8_shortcuts

15 years ago

Originally Posted by oceanfeather

A bummer - I was doing really well with half a dozen sites, someone at Google has taken a dislike to me though and shut down my account with the very helpful reason: "While going through our records recently, we found that your AdSense account has posed a significant risk to our AdWords advertisers." No explanation as to what this means, or what I did wrong, just the arbitrary slap...

Have launched an appeal, see what happens

Have you had any other monetization option son your site EXCEPT AdSense?

I hear that Google dislikes sites that rely only on AdSense and prefer sites that offer other sources of revenue, such as affiliate banners, Amazon widget or the like... The obvious reason is they don't want you to make strictly "Made-for-AdSense" sites.

So, can your website exist and make money even if you take away AdSense? If so, then perhaps Google will like it... perhaps...

Of course the most annoying thing is Google doesn't give you the exact reasons. But I have heard some AdSense veterans suggest the steps mentioned here to possibly avoid the slap...

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Best Affiliate

15 years ago

Originally Posted by 7_8_shortcuts

Have you had any other monetization option son your site EXCEPT AdSense?

I hear that Google dislikes sites that rely only on AdSense and prefer sites that offer other sources of revenue, such as affiliate banners, Amazon widget or the like... The obvious reason is they don't want you to make strictly "Made-for-AdSense" sites.

So, can your website exist and make money even if you take away AdSense? If so, then perhaps Google will like it... perhaps...

Of course the most annoying thing is Google doesn't give you the exact reasons. But I have heard some AdSense veterans suggest the steps mentioned here to possibly avoid the slap...

Huh? Google likes your sites if they get good CTRs and they're making money not which types of affiliate banners you have on them. I have a couple sites that barely have any back links but are ranking on page one because of the CTRs. I dont know why else it would be there.

Google knows they have a ton of adsense publishers who only focus on adsense, and are not going to penallize you for only building adsense sites. John, when is your book update coming out? I got an email from you a while back about it and was expecting to come out in June? Im curious to know how you have adjusted your strategy. Ive been using article submissions, not linkvanna, but others that have been working pretty decent. Thanks

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simonheng82

15 years ago

how much do you earn before getting your account banned? How long have you been with adsense?

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exaltedadam22

14 years ago

Guess what? During my keyword research I ran across several sites that have a similar provision, haha, I found some good web design, and I learned a lot from these peers.

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Dougger1

13 years ago

I have 10-plus Adsense sites up and running with the CTR template. I understand backlinking and on-page SEO optimization. I have more than 300 articles on ezinearticles.com. Do you all think I would gain that much new knowledge if I purchased John's new book?

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