adamsad

your welcome....i always looking for the update...
even subscribe to this thread...
:-)

dknyrob

Hey Clickbump how do I go about ordering your wordpress themes? Also i see that having 20 site per server is the way to go. I guess using host gator reseller account good for making micro niches sites so you can have 20 per account?

clickbump

HostGator is hard to beat. I also use Bluehost. Yes, reseller accounts are optimum for our work.

For your other question, just click (info) in my sig below...

fromkrypton

Awesome information Clickbump and others! I am following this thread with great interest.

Ok, now for my newb question. When you say you have 20 sites per server with Hostgator, is that 20 sites per reseller account? I currently have their "baby" plan and have yet to upgrade to reseller.

clickbump

I'm in the same plan as you. I just stopped at 20 and started another setup with another host. I wish there were a hundred hostgators though. Awesome service, value and support.

Perhaps someone can chime in here on how to distribute sites on a reseller account in the spirit of this post...

stoaf88

I use a reseller account at hostgator and love it.

I have had it for 3 years now.

I used to flip mini sites on ebay and it pretty much turned into a mini hosting business.

A reseller account is the only way to go if you are into IM and seo in any way.

You do everything from your whm or web host manager.

Add domains, delete domains, manage packages(bandwidth and disk space), everything all in one spot.

Then after you create an account for a domain you get a cpanel for each individual domain. No more fumbling around with add ons, this is especially great for using FTP programs, keeps everything simple.

For $24.99 a month anyone who dosen't have one is crazy IMO.

WareTime

That is almost exactly my approach to site design for adsense. I don't want a database or anything I can't just set and forget. Php includes and a template. All your really need is a template, but the includes are nice to have as they make changing things like headers, sidebar, adsense ads etc easy to do on all the pages of site. The sites load almost instantaneously. I try for around 1000 words per article too.

SladeK

Using your technique in finding keyword phrases.
I have found many keywords where there are 3 or 4 of the top 5 spots taken up by PR0 sites with 0 page links, and very little on page seo.

However, they belong to high level domains such as Target, Amazon, BestBuy, stuff like that.
Assuming I get the domain with the exact keyword phrase, perfect on page seo, and throw a few decent quality backlinks at it, do I have ANY chance of moving passed pages such as those? Or should I avoid keywords with those kinds of results?

I guess I am not 100% on what I should be looking out for in terms of whether or not I can beat a site. PR 0, under 100 page links, little to no on page seo, and what else? Not sure of how much of a load domain age and or links to the domain itself play.

GazD

Might wanna check out seohosting (which is owned by hostgator)

Have a Blessed Day

Shellfish

This should answer your question.

reddragoncopy

Thanks to Clickbump and others for all the great info in this thread.

I'd like to ask a question about a keyphrase I've just found.

It gets 3600 searches, there are four pr0s in the competition and spyfu returns $0.4-$1.00 and 20 advertisers. Plus the .org is available.

Sounds perfect (except for the lowish ppc) but when I went to amazon to research the product, there weren't many listings. And for those there, there were very few user reviews.

I was reading that a strong level of amazon user feedback suggested good commercial intent.

Another thing is that the sites that come up in the serps for this product are pretty badly put together and tend to be full of hype. I think they must be Chinese in origin.

So I've got a negative feeling about this kw despite the fact that the numbers are good.

Any ideas about this?

Marhelper

Perhaps it is b/c I am not familiar with this program but what am I missing?

Biggy Fat

Looks like Market Samurai.

Shellfish

SladeK asked "Do I have ANY chance of moving past pages such as those?" and I showed a site with 16 backlinks that moved past those type sites.

You see PR, BL's, BL's to domain, keyword in domain, keyword in title, keyword in description and keyword in H1.

Tom Goodwin

Not any market samurai i've ever seen. Same sort of grid, but that's about it.

Masters Powerlifting

GazD

If you have doubts about the product, look for something else. Or just spend the 8bucks for a domain and try it out, just make sure not to put too much work into the site, unless it does start to show some potential.

Have a Blessed Day

clickbump

I agree with Gaz on this one. But I tend to lean to the "just spend the 8 bucks" approach.

Your time is valuable. Count the cost. If it takes you 2 hours to put up a site, and your time is worth, say $50 an hour (arbitrary), then you need to make $100 (opp cost) plus $8 (domain cost) plus ~$12 (hosting cost avg for this site for 1 yr).

So you need to make appx $120 over the first year this site is active. That's a .33 cent a day nut that this site has to cover to break even for your time.

Not a very high bar.

However, you have to add the time you deliberate on go/no-go so the longer sit the fence, the higher the break even.

Bottom line: When in doubt, Act.

“Lord, I believe! Help me with my unbelief!"

J smith

Edited out to avoid this awesome thread from being closed due to becoming too commercial. And thanks to clickbump for a prompt response to my email.

Marhelper

As he said a couple of times, "Click on the 'email' part of the sig line."

Bishop81

Last time, the thread got deleted quite possibly for becoming too commercial. If you're interested in anything that anybody in the thread is offering, then either look in their signature to see if it's in there, or send a PM and ask.

Asking stuff like that in the thread is a quick way to get it deleted again. If it does become deleted again, then imagine how much great info you're going to miss out on.

Now, on to my results so far.
6 websites up on Thursday night. Went through 1 of somebody's backlink packets and also looked up about 6 of my own original sites to post on. Made rss feeds of the profile pages, as well as my main pages, and even the about_us pages. Ran those feeds through an RSS Bot, and through a Social Bot program that I have.

Out of all that, I have 1 site's about_us page indexed at #195. Oh, I did all that work on Friday night, and here it is Saturday morning with the results.

The backlinks were strictly to get indexed, but they should also provide a decent bump in the SERP's, I hope. That is all the backlinking that I plan to do on these sites, unless they either don't index in the next day or two OR I feel that they need a push to rank higher.

I'm tired of my signature... Deleted.

Marhelper

Good point but worst case scenario, head over to his site as the info is there as well.

AmericanWoman888

Hey Clickbump,

I just wanted to thank you again for such an awesome template. Wow I am impressed. I have never set up a WP blog so quickly, that I actually like. It seems to take hours to find a decent template that isn't all glommed over with stuff you don't need.

Folks, I had a special situation where I was trying to use the template (I have a special talent for breaking things :rolleyes and it just did not seem to work at first (in my 'situation')....when I emailed Clickbump, he took time out of his day, right then and there, and got it working. That is exceptional customer service. He deserves a huge round of applause.

And then!!! There is this great thread - wow again

I am so thankful to see this thread, I really think this information is going to be the turning point for me! Yay!!!! Finally, the dream I have been tracking down for a few years now...will come to pass.

Thank you everyone on this thread for being so candid and helpful. Your honest answers and helping people will be returned to you in goodness in your life 100 fold.

Best of luck to everyone and remember....take action, it does payoff.

All the Best,

AmericanWoman888

***Test***

CryoCrispy

Clickbump, or any others who may know, when you go this route of creating your own domain and highly optimize it for search engines.. do you get ranked on the new domain out of the gate or do you essentially end up with a web site showing up on page 1 because it's laser focused on your keyword phrase?

If you find your new site hitting page 1, you add adsense at that point or do you wait until you have a certain volume of unique visitors?

If you find your adsense campaign generating profits do you then start a campaign to get backlinks to this new domain or move on to the next?

Just curious how easy it would be to bump a web site if you ran across one that is optimized per clickbump's system. Say you find a site that is a .com or .net and the other one is available so you make a run for it, etc.

Diogo Slov

Hello Clickbump,

Dumbest question of all, but so far nobody mentioned it.

DASHES!

I have some dashed domains (10% of my portfoliio), though I try to stay away from them.

How about you? Have you ever tried a dashed domain just to see what happened?

Thanks for the attention!

Best,
Diogo

Diogo Slov

Oh, and something I forgot to mention.

Although MNF is sometimes buggy, they have another new feature: MOB, of "measure of backlinks".

This is something that calculates an approximate amount of backlinks you'll need to be on the first page of Google.

The program won't necessarily fetch the two lowest numbers, from what I've seen so far, but it does give you an idea on what you need to do when chasing a niche.

Although the Clickbump Method says backlinks aren't needed, after all.

As soon as I finish producing content for all the domains I already bought for the XFactor course, I'll give it a go for this new approach. Mixing XFactor's approach with Google Sniper seems promising and something I had already thought of doing. Thanks for all the thought put into this!

Best,
Diogo

clickbump

In about 4.5 times out of ten, both.
The goal is to get indexed as quickly as possible (time=$) and as highly as possible (higher=$$$)
This is where you are going to get some dissenting opinion. I've done both with equally satisfactory results, however I'm now sticking with index first, then monetize. It helps to have a system in which you can (1) monitor sites to know exactly when you hit the index and (2) allows you to literally "switch on" adsense or affiliate links, whatever your monetization platform without having to meddle with code or cut/paste.
I only consider backlinking if I need to move a site up once it on page 1. I generally find that the effort spent there returns much greater value than any efforts to get site on the first page if it was not initially set there by the engine.
Don't even think about it Cryo! I know where to find you <just kidding>

I'm getting my G love almost exclusively by on-page seo techniques. So, that's perhaps the exception rather than the norm. I'm focused on really selective niche selection, then backing that up with a super optimized page that satisfies the searcher (for the clicks) and the engine (for the kicks) with a laser fine focus on being the absolute best match for the given search I'm optimizing around.

I know some would like to think and can probably offer a convincing argument that if they where checking out a niche and saw one of my sites they'd go in because they might think that a site that got its rankings without backlinks can be beat with a well backlinked site.

I've come up against several of these and all I can say is that I'm well pleased with the results thus far

Great questions!

clickbump

Hi Diogo, I've never selected a dashed domain for niche site monetization, however I do have a dashed domain that is part of a business project that is ranked very highly for its keywords.

I'm sure you've heard that Google basically ignores dashes in domain names so in theory it should not matter. I believe I've heard Matt Cutts indicate that the engine actually prefers the use of hyphens in directory and file names and with the just announced breadcrumb feature that's being rolled out with Caffeine that becomes even more important from a usability perspective.

Bottom line for me, I use dashes in directory and filenames, but not in the domain names.

I can't say I've seen many in competition either... I suppose that might be that people are a bit leery of taking a chance on them, but that's just speculation on my part.

Tom Goodwin

You know, using brand names in domain names is getting funny.

I certainly do it.
I know Xfactor does it
I think clickbump/scott does it.

Yet, there is a thread in the main forum about using trademarks in domains and i'm basically being called the devil for saying that although you probably wouldn't win a court case, there really is no long-term harm if you are willing to give up your site if they ask.

Am I the devil?

Masters Powerlifting

Tom Goodwin

You are not alone. 4 out of my last 5 indexed sites started on the first page of google (all around 7-10) with zero backlinks showing up. I did immediately submit my site's rss feed to some rss aggregators to help with the speed of the indexing. It all came down to the niche research. Out of the 5 sites, all were exact keyword domains. 4 were a .net and 1 was a .com, and all had insanely low allintitle and allinurl numbers compared to their search volume.


One of the indexed sites that started at #8 has 11 million Google search results without quotes. If that is not proof positive that all of the SEO gurus who prove their self-worth by quoting the number of search results without quotes are full of it, I don't know what is.

Masters Powerlifting

clickbump

I've got a few. The ironic thing is that none of them are ranked very highly and none are earners for me, so I'm not likely to pick up any in the future unless its a completely irresistable opportunity (as was the case with this one)

I tend to agree with you in regards to the fact that you need to be in it for short term and get what you can while you can.

WareTime

I had one. I was looking at statcounter logs for it and low and behold a law firm was looking at it. Site was not a money maker at all, so now it's 404 and I will let it expire. I'm not looking for any hassles.

bobnolan

No of any other ways to get bookmarked fast? Most forums I sign up for have usually have a post limit or day limit before you can post a signature.

When in doubt, blame yourself. Otherwise, you'll be wasting everybody elses time.

clickbump

Hi Philly, you certainly might be right, but consider this...

In a little over 2.5 months since I started doing this, as of a few minutes ago when I checked my account, I've made $2,668.97 using this technique.

Assuming your prediction pans out, I suppose I'll just keep launching these little "60 day wonders" until the well runs dry :-) <all in good fun>

I've said on a few occasions (not sure if in this thread or not) that I view Adsense income as play money. Completely a supplemental (and fun) income source.

adamsad

Are kidding? just for 60 days? But the site have no backlinking, right?
What if we add backlinking? Will it stay on page 1?

clickbump

Why not just launch more sites?

It takes me from 30 minutes to 2 hours investment of time from idea to launch, why would I not continue to execute over and over and over again? Despite what's happening with old sites (and I've not had any suffer the fate of yours yet) but it doesn't matter for my method to continue to work. As long as you are continuing to launch new sites (assuming you need to replace ones that drop off), you will stay in the money.

SladeK

Theoretically, if your site does disappear after 60 days, couldn't you just let it die, re-register the domain, re-launch the site, then rinse and repeat to get the same results?
(assuming it delivered well the first time around)

dknyrob

That happen to me a few weeks back. I had a site ranking in the top three making a nice amount on adsense than one day its gone for about a month or so. What I did was buy the same domain but with a "S" after the dot com and a few days later I was rank on the first page collecting the same adsense rev. Then out of no where my site comes back at the top spot for a few days and gone again. Only thing I can think of is I ran the Brute Force Link loop back to back on that site so I guess google didn't like that but thats just my theory...

clickbump

Nope, none of my sites are over 90 days old; most are 60-80 and none have dropped from their positions as you described.

clickbump

If your site is less than 3-6 months old, its likely engaged in what's commonly referred as "The Google Dance".

This is a temporary stage in the early lifecyle of a site in which the index is trying to figure out exactly where the site belongs. My best guess is that, as they test your site at different positions, they want to see how it performs. In the case it performs well, perhaps by repeat visits for example, or your site getting the most single clicks out of the top ten competitors, then the site can be deemed to be a good match for the given search phrase and thus earn points and move higher.

Again, this is just me speculating as to the means and purpose of "The Google Dance". I can say that with Adsense on board my sites, I've noticed that an uptick in income is a good predictor of a future bump in rank. Which to me indicates (again, not scientific, but anecdotal) that they can choose, at will, which sites to pimp and which sites to penalize, based on these factors, and others.

If I were G, I'd want a site that continually attracts clicks and specifically, ad clicks, to be presented more times than not for a given search (and that's been my experience to date)

Sometimes I feel as if G and I are in a silent partnership where as long as I'm producing sites that are "Good Earners" (to borrow a Tony Soprano reference) then G rewards me with favorable rankings.

Marhelper

The aforementioned is a great hypothesis but who really knows? Anyway, it seems that a one page site (plus privacy and contact page) is not enough to hold rank over the long run. A site which is continually added to with valuable content is more prone to sustaining first page on Google.

jlady

You mentioned you participate in forums as a form of generating traffic, but isn't that very time consuming? Or is there an automated way to participate in lots of forums at once??

ddaily

Scott,

Great thread - very insightful.

I was wondering if you use photos within your templates/pages?

Thanks.

adamsad

it is a relieve to hear that. But what is Brute Force Link? Is it a link building service?

Tom Goodwin

Linking Loophole is a software by Brute Force SEO / Peter Drew. There is a WSO on it. A portion of the Linking loophole software is also built into Brute Force SEO's new Evo II software (which is way too buggy and their support is about the worst in the biz, but that's IMHO).

Basically it automates posting profile backlinks to some some of Angela's sites.

Masters Powerlifting

Tom Goodwin

Scott's WP template uses pictures the same way (with the same placement) as the xfactor html template. You just have to upload the photos through the WP admin panel and the template automatically inserts the pictures.

P.S. that's a mighty long time to be a lurker before your first post. :-)

Masters Powerlifting

Tom Goodwin

Against equally optimized sites I would agree with that. But, I don't think its as cut and dry when you are talking about a ultra-SEO'd single page site with decent backlinks against things like a single product description page of amazon with zero backlinks.

If I choose to focus on blue widgets, there aren't any other domains that are highly SEO'd for blue widgets.

Masters Powerlifting

Tom Goodwin

Why did you do no backlinking??

Masters Powerlifting

Marhelper

How would you define, "ultra-SEO'd single page site?" (IE: Keyword in description, H1 Tags, etc ...?)

Jon Mac

I just snagged a .org for a common household item that gets a whopping 50k EXACT searches per month! Has 3 PR0 on the first page like the criteria says so I'm crossing my fingers here and giving it a go...we'll see what happens!

Thanks for sharing that great info clickbump!

-Jon

Now THIS is how to write a successful ebook in any niche..... even if you have ZERO writing experience!

tjk1058

Just emailed you for the css template... this looks like a great method for speeding up my site building and I thank you for the info so far!

TedK