I'll stick to manual process, even if i have to pay extra cash to my data entry workers!

I have not bought any of these software. SB, AMR, BMD & Xrumer together give me very good rankings!

I own Senuke X and i don't really see it as the ONLY software, which helps me get to #1.

I think it's quite useful to build some extra backlinks and stuff, and for bookmarking its also quite nice. But when you really want to climb up to #1, you'll need more than just this one software.

Cheers

I agree with the sentiment of your post George and you are absolutely right when you intonate that it is completely about results and not bells and whistles at the end of the day.

In my opinion these tools that you list can help with the off page SEO and I have proof of improved rankings as a result of using one those tools. However, most of the web 2.0 properties and bookmarks on their own are pretty innefective.

To be truly successful with these you still need some backlinks from (preferably) high PR pages. You also need to promote the properties you set up with these tools from already indexed pages.

My experience is this..

1. Good On page SEO gets you a long way.
2. Web 2.0 and other such low to medium quality backlinks can help with ranking.
3. The icing on the cake though are backlinks from high PR pages.

I believe it is possible to get good rankings using the tools you mention by working "smarter" with them. I plan to conduct a case study when I get some time to do this. This, I hope will give you the evidence you seek..

To be honest I've never heavily used automation tools. I did give SENuke a try once but wasn't a huge fan. Scrapebox on the other hand gets used multiple times throughout the day. But that's because it does about a million different things.

To me it's always boiled down to finding a keyword or phrase with minimal to moderate competition, grabbing a domain with the phrase, making sure my on-page SEO is as perfect as possible, and generating backlinks.

You really don't need a ton of backlinks if your competition is relatively weak and your on-page SEO is good. None of these sites will really earn a lot on their own. But when you're running a lot of them it can add up.

Nice Share!

I am really getting sick of these subscription based tools. I guess once their products start getting popular the natural move is to subscription. I still like one time fee better.

I've had quite a bit of success using SEnuke, AMR, and scrapebox. I'm ranking #3 after 2 1/2 months of SEO work for a search term that gets 18k + monthly searches (EXACT match.)

It's generating me close to $200+ a day.

SEnuke works, AMR works, Scrapebox works. They are all great tools when a person knows what to do with them.

NO you cant just click the effing button and get a first page search result. That's what the newbies think.

Thank you very much for your article about SEO tools. I personally like and believe manual SEO.

What these softwares generate are so called tier-2 backlinks. What you REALLLY need in order to completely KILL your competitors, are tier-1 backlinks, which is done by asking/begging/crying for a one way link from High PR blogs/sites, or you can pay the owners.. lol. Another way is to do guest posting for them with a SUPER quality article and request for 1 backlink to your site. Not that hard isn't it.

Xrumers and scrapebox gives you tier-3 links. Ideally, you need a mixture of ALL types of links so your backlink profile looks nice to Google but what gives the PUNCH is how many tier-1 links you own.

It's already so obvious now what Google is trying to do.. So if you're still stuck in generating web2.0 backlinks to compete in SEO, you will win, if your competitors are all using web2.0 too. One thing though is you will never hit jackpot if you're trying to rank for more challenging keywords because the first page results are buying/renting/creating HIGH PR backlinks while you stick with the web2.0/profile links.

Joe

This is exactly the point!

I personally strongly believe (due to own ranking experience) that tier 2 links (like web2.0 etc.) can only get you "so far".

In certain niches you will simply NOT get any higher and keep being stuck on, say, page 2 or page 3 in Google, unless you get really powerful and good PR links from related sites in your niche.

The same is valid for all kinds of "low quality" blasts, or even ever so "advanced" link pyramids or whatever if they only do tier2/tier3 low quality links.

Think about it. Let's use a typical, really tough niche like "weight loss"....or any other niche where you sooner or later will be at a point where you face STRONG competition.

Google is not stupid. Its *often* not possible to get top rankings (eg. between pos 1-5 in Google) by "garbage links", web2.0, profiles, comment spamming, PR0 and PR1 trash links, even article directories. Not if other sites have good home-page backlinks.

So you can blast as many Xrumers or whatever and will be stuck.

Sadly, i have quite a number of such sites where i am convinced that i already reached that point and where such lower quality links simply wont do anything anymore.

Maybe I haven't looked around enough, but I haven't really seen ANYONE crowing about amazing SEO results for their sites. For any method or any keyword. All I've seen are people complaining they can't figure it out, it isn't working, or sometimes someone will say they saw modest improvement.

If I bought the software, I would have to pay 127/month.. and still pay/write my own articles, spin them and pay some more for captchas.

Whereas on the other hand, I can just use lastpass/roboform, organize these properties properly into my bookmarks, and post to them manually for f-r-e-e.. it only takes a while if you have lastpass set up properly to log in automatically.

Or I could spend $5 on fiver every 2-3 days to get them to post the articles for me MANUALLY on their own accounts where there wouldn't even be a chance of them deleting my accounts/posts as a spammer.

So.. I guess you are right, I personally think those products are pretty overpriced for what they actually do.

[I'm so tired of bias comments here on WF.. A forum should be yourself - not someone paying you a bonus to say; bring the fresh or senuke x makes me a million bobs a month! - here's my honest opinion and thoughts]

I've just tried Senuke X for 13 days.. ended up cancelling..

I've have worked with the old Senuke, I've tried Rank Builder and I've worked with Magic Submitter as well.. So I know about SEO tools and linking.

Even though I spend I minor furtune in capchas, giving it all I got, spending like 3-5 hours a day for 13 days, I wasn't able to make my backlinks count significantly.. Even though I pushed thousands of links through Linklicious, Bulk Indexing Tool and even posts on my own blog network.

I think the wizard and new take on scheduling is the biggest reason why people, at first glance, get's all excited about Senuke X... however one soon realizes that you're better off spending a bit more time, setting up your campaigns WITHOUT the wizard, since it's very limited in it's options.

I've tried pyramids, full monty, the simple ones, my own strategies... and I've run into bugs over and over again.

Senuke X is a great tool... just not after the last 2 google updates. I think the lifetime license Senuke is desperately trying to force down our throats, constantly saying "THIS IS YOUR ONLY CHANCE TO GET IT- BUY NOW" just to say.. "well, we've extended the offer" etc. is a desperate attempt to make money now, since they know the only thing the program will be able to do is do make links.. which doesn't count much in the SERPs..

The indexing module and the Xindexer service... well it's a pretty smart move, because people that are willing to pay 127 / 147$ a month is tricked into paying much more - IF they want to get their links indexed.. because lets face it.. the included 50 links per day (index rate of 30-50% after 10-30 days) is useless if you're using Senuke how it is ment to ... lots of campaigns scheduled each day, and I mean LOTS...

I guess this will cost > 200$/mo, and basically Magic Submitter does the same thing.

Ps. do you know whether or not you're allowed to buy MS through your own clickbank affiliate link? I mean.. it really shouldn't matter to them. Because then MS is like .. 37$/mo... which I think it is definitely worth.

If you bought the software because you bought into the hype, well, you lost your money. If you bought the software because you knew it would compliment your linking strategies, then you just got your money back in multiples.

I have used some of tools and save time with making profiles. People can make a hope before buying these software to get #1 in google. After buying these, they will not spend time to learn about the software and methods to automate SEO tasks. That's the biggest make. First we need skills

Thanks
Rukshan

This is so true!

I just spent a few hours watching Senukex tutorial videos, and while SX is "easier" compared to the older versions it is STILL a hugely complex thing to use.

The danger is actually that it allows people to quickly start "some linking", but without really good insight & knowledge it *might* probably do more harm than good for some people.

To use it effectively you need to understand about link velocity, spread out submissions...use MANY multiple accounts and so forth....and it's really tough to understand and learn all this....especially if someone makes the mistake to think:

"Oh great..this is a SEO software....it means i simply enter some stuff...then i press a button and that's it"...there is SO MUCH MORE to it.

It's really like buying a box of tools in a store and then thinking "now i am ready to build a house"...but there is much more to it until someone would be able to build a house, MUCH more.

I think the automation software is just leverage. It works like this:
Imagine you want to have a trip traveling around the world. It'll take FOREVER if you ride a bike, but it'll take like few weeks by air plane. (sorry, I used very contrast example).

The leverage is : the plane ==> makes your trip faster and more comfortable.

THose SEO softwares work like that (regardless of the ranking SERPS result). So, if you know how to USE the software, what strategies to get good result, etc, then you'll get the most of your investment.

It's about you, how you can adapt with any leverage you have. It'll make your success faster, a lot faster.

One reason I'm still skeptical about replacing my manual methods with these auto-submitters, is that I know that at some point, google is gonna put a clamp on these programs... plus doesnt google notice that you're pumping too much backlinks in the net? beyond a humanly possible amount? i think these programs are making marketers, newbies or pros, abuse the system. And that can result in low quality backlinks, natural posts, etc...

I am using a modified version just to give a bit of assistance, but at the end of the day, i have to be careful of what I'm putting out there.. cuz google is always on the hunt for bad apples...

I can only speak for Senuke X. Firstoff SEO is a long term process and there's no magic bullet that's going to bring in massive results overnight. Next with the new Google updates, as long as you're producing good, unique and quality content you then have nothing to worry about when using automated software programs. Also if you have crappy on-page SEO it's going to take twice as much work to rank and stay ranked for high traffic keywords. So before purchasing any automated software I would make sure you have everything I just mentioned together.

Senuke X does work. It's just a software that automates everything. The key with it, is using quality content, if you push out garbage you'll get garbage back. It's that simple. And that pretty much goes with anything in SEO, having quality content is key. The main problem isn't that SEnukeX doesn't work, it's most people don't want to take the time or spend the money to have quality content created.

Lastly, like anything in life, it takes time to learn. I would say the average person who has some basic knowledge about SEO needs at least a month or 3 weeks to really begin to understand how to properly use the software in the most effective way possible. It's like driving a car, there are good drivers and bad drivers. It just depends on the person behind the wheel, and the same goes for SEnuke X.

I do my work everything manually....

I have been using SeNUke X for slightly over a month now and have seen some pretty amazing results...I am currently employed with a jewelry company and we have an online jewelry store....SeNuke X has really helped us achieve some fantastic results for terms such as online jewelry stores, discount jewelry online and sterling silver jewelry...all of which extremely competitive. Not saying SeNuke X is all we have used however it has had a substantial impact on the website's rankings.

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There have been many references to getting high quality backlinks from high pr pages. I know there is a lot of confusion where people think getting a link from a "high PR website" is the same as getting a link from a "high PR web page" - it is not.

So, are there any recommendations on how best to get high pr web page links??

I have read through the forum and heard that services such as Build My Rank is good for this?

Great point;
You can always Outsource someone to do your linking who most of the time use SENuke X and all these other software...
But deny it to keep their jobs.
Most of the major Gurus out there who do their own linking use automated software.
Or get people to create there own.
But.. pssh.. my point is the solution usually leads to outsourcing links from companies and people who already use automated software, doesn't have to be the ones you listed.

These tools are used if you know what you are doing, if you are a high pr 5 blog networks then these tools come in handy. I agree that most of these tools are aimed at bigger businesses because it is just not likely someone making 1000 on websites would even consider senuke because there's just so much more you can do with the 127 than rent out senuke.

You can buy articles, hire entry clerk, and even use it to buy dirt cheap manual bookmarking services, web2.0 creations, article submission, directory submission, and xrumer services. The internet is huge, there's always going to be great deals if there's a huge market to satisfy.

Anyways that's my 2 cents, take it or leave it.

Completaly agree.... I am waiting for real results as well. I've seen people spend on SEO software that deliver none or very little results...

But, we all have to know that these "gurus" that are selling us the software, use these techniques to get the big bucks themselves and then when they see those methods don't work anymore, they sell them and people buy 'em.

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I believe the best SEO tool is your brain The rest are only "assistants."

I believe outsourcing is the best tool you could use(better results and a lot cheaper than those Over-Hyped tools).

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I personally use SEO tools to help save time and reduce the amount of effort it takes to get somewhere. wether its find out some information, or look for something or drive up the SERPs. I dont have 10 hrs a day to spend on doing SEO manually, and I want results sooner rather than later.

I have used SENUKEX thoroughly and found it good for some things, and bad for others. The default lists is what kills senukex. Every person who uses it, uses the default list of social boomarks, web 2.0's etc and thats where I think it falls apart. There is no diversity with it unless you spend the time and effort and make your own lists.

Scrapebox has a few nifty features I like, which is mainly the scraping tool, but as far as commenting on blogs etc goes, I dont do it as I think those types of posts are a waste of time for me personally. I would also not link them to a money site.

I feel that there is no reason why you wouldnt use tools to speed up your processes, but you are still going to have to have the "know how" and ability to get the right type of back links for your site.

So much time is wasted when doing SEO by people for the results that they get back. I guess its trial and error at the end of the day though right? Find out what works for you and keep on plugging away.

Fantastic thread this one, really enjoyed peoples responses.

There are SO many factors which go into whether a tool succeeds for ANY given domain, it's not even funny. I get it that many people here probably have a couple of sites that they spend their time and efforts on, and wouldn't need the firepower that some of these tools offer.

Here's my experience and it goes counter to what many are saying within this thread, and here is why.

At any given moment, I've got +/- over 450 websites within my portfolio that go back to domains I've owned since '97. You can imagine the upkeep that many of these sites demand, and I do have my fair share of 10,000 page authority websites that get massive traffic on a daily basis, and I also have a ton of small to midsize niche sites that do respectfully well too. Point is, they all require some sort of maintanance.

Now, I could have gone the outsourcing method, and I've done so in the past. Work smarter, not harder. If it costs me $4 to make $8, I'll do it every day of the week. That's outsourcing for you.

But over time I've gone the way of automation as well. There's a reason I own several Dell blade servers housed in a data warehouse farm here in Houston. A) I love virtualization and B) I love the ability to control my costs up front and know what my spend is going to be relative to my ROI. That's one of the benefits of utilizing software packages to increase my hold or even gain new hold with new websites.

Now, I'm not going to get into the argument/discussion of crappy links versus good tier 1 authority links..common sense reigns supreme here. What I do for myself is utilize several toolsets to adjust my link/web2.0/social media site/press releases/link directories accordingly.

The reason I say that a tool will or will not work for any given domain, is due to the who the competition might be and what kind of link gathering you may be doing with the tools. It's widely acknowledged that if you rip of a 100k link building session with Xrumer and fire off a 30k AA list through Scrapebox..bad things will probably happen to that site.

And that's where the expertise on knowing how to game Google's several indexes come into play. If you just do a massive link dump and the spiders are going crazy with a certain url, coming from certain kind of footprints, you WILL trip off a flag within Google's index.

BUT, if you temper your linking strategies accordingly, and play it smart with the tools, you can set yourself up for some very very successful link building exercises in the future. It's just a question of how much knoweldge building do you want to invest in the process.

Put it simply: anyone can fire a gun. You pull the trigger. But not everyone can field strip an M16 or M4, switch out firing pins and springs and repurpose those parts in other guns.

One guy is clearly more knowledgeable on the subject matter and will probably be a better shot as well

baffled that this thread is still alive and buzzing

As for SEO tools, as always it depends what you make of it. I THINK many people use them in the wrong way without thinking through strategies and out of the box.

You can use SenukeX (or any other similar tool) and have no success with it since you expect to click a button and then being #1 next week. This is just not how it works. But you can use such software as tools and you CAN use them in smart ways.

Personally i dont think that software like SenukeX *alone* wont do anything exceptional since they are too limited in their range of where they post links (web2.0, articles, BM etc.) which is not diverse ENOUGH..and Google will also have those sites on their #list for some time already, i can see that.

But used in addition they can be helpful. Say, you already established a good and rather quality link profile for your sites..then it certainly can help to boost your site with more web2.0 links, bookmarks etc.

I've never done a lot of backlinking and I've got all my sites even those with high competition and high searches (20 000+) to page 1, top 3 places.

I do a few backlinks with high PR and that is that.

It seems to me people are vastly overrating the number of links they need to gain a top position in Google. Examining the backlinks for many competitive SERPs you'll see many examples of websites that don't have lots of links and they don't even have that much IP diversity. They do have some high power relevant text links, though.

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Are you kidding?

I believe that I do much better writing quality content that others will link to and then spend a little time once in a while manually seeking a few quality backlinks from related blogs, forums, etc. that have few other outgoing links on the page.

I don't think SEO begins and ends with this software. We must optimize our websites for SEO. We must follow the genuine white hate policy before we enter SEnuke or other options. At the most these sites will act as a second tier link building strategy.
Nothing more nothing less

It's not only about buying the tool. It's also about knowing how and when to use them. People think that their job is done once they've made a payment of $147/month. They think that by clicking a few buttons all their sites are going to be sitting pretty at the top of Google's rankings.

You will need to put in a lot of work (Read as: Testing) and effort in understanding how these tools can actually benefit you, although I do agree that most of the tools out there in the market are pretty sub-standard to say the least.

The business with these programs is thriving since around 95% of all people on warrior forum, other IM forums etc are complete beginners.

Now, when these beginners see posts from users that promise all kinds of miracles etc then they will buy into them for sure. No wonder, they have no idea how SEO works actually and are looking to find the easiest, the cheapest and the shortest way to achieve the goals.

Well, unfortunately those doesn't exist. You still have to do it the old school way where you need to work hard to get somewhere. It's just too bad many people don't realize it, even worse that a lot of people are willing to exploit these beginners and rip them off their cash by promising things which are not possible.

In my opinion I think Senuke has its place in SEO, yes you get lower quality back links but as mentioned in this thread its important to have a good spread of back links as this looks more natural.

Using these tools solely will not get you anywhere fast but combined with other on page/offpage etc techniques it can definately help.

Me personally I dont use them enough to pay the subsription so I out source what I need.

Also for those who are breaking into SEO buying a tool like Senuke can earn you a good income. A friend of mine makes $50 to $70 a day running campaigns for other people, this then leaves him time and money to work on his own niches.

My verdict: outsource what you need there are many sites like 5err you can use.

Unless you are making a ton of money from them software with monthly subscriptions are the worse!

all is spammer

You guys are missing the point, he wasn't necessarily saying these programs didn't work, he's saying where is the proof? Where are the case studies? Where are the people saying "I went from position A to position B in google using only this software."

In reality, if senuke x worked like it's supposed to, it should be able to be your only method of backlinking. Web 2.0, forum profiles, articles, press releases, etc. That should be MORE than enough to rank you to the first page of google, but where's the proof that it IS?

There are more than enough case studies availabe that this works. Just go to your friend Google and search.

If you want honest to goodness reflections of tool usage, and whether a,b,c is getting you to rank better, go hang out in the other forums that discuss these tools in length. Trust me, there's no shortage of complaints, gripes or "wow, i shot up 10 rankings over night!"

They are all just tools. All all comes down to strategy. Strategies can be executed either manually or automated. So, how good is your strategy?

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I use senuke x.
We just know the way to efficiently use this software.It can do a miracle.
Thanks,
ricky

I'm getting started with the backlinking game and I have been looking for software that can make the process just a little faster.

For example: setting up the accounts for social bookmarking or web 2.0. That can be so time consuming. But if I pay someone on fiverr to take care of that for me every time it is going to cost me a lot of money if I am posting a lot and creating many sites.
Many of the outsourcers use automated software anyway so why not just use it myself and have more control over what is being done??

I don't want to go hog-wild (I want to keep it natural and "google-safe") and senuke X just turns me off for the learning curve. SERobot that has been re-released recently looks very interesting - any opinions??


One thing I hear a lot about is creating bunches of aliases for submitting .... articles etc. When do you need to create accounts that don't use your name (other than if you don't want your mother to know what you are doing :p ) ??
Are people creating tons of aliases when they go ape on back linking and try to create artificial links?????? This may be a moot point because MAYBE those tactics that I read were pre penguin, panda and kitty-cat, when you could still blast your site with thousands of backlinks in a day. Maybe?

One method I do NOT want to do is to automate blog and forum posting - that just turns out to be so spammy!! But maybe find automation for finding the best places to post manually .... google alerts/reader works well for that. Any other suggestions?

Have a great day,

Sandra Walsh

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I have achieved #1-3 rankings for clients for competitive keywords, on NEW sites that were previously pretty much unranked, using this combination:

1. WordPress with Old Post Spinner plugin, manually spinning like 10-20 articles to repost 2 per week, to provide a steady base, even when the client doesn't necessarily blog regularly.

2. Automatic feeds from that to Twitter, Facebook, G+, a couple of Tumblr sites, etc., *combined* with some related topic feeds from other sources.

3. SENukeX Full Monty run once a month.

4. SENukeX social bookmarking blasts run once/week on the two posts. I actually run two projects -- one spread across all sites, and another concentrated on the major ones.

5. Social signals using YouLikeHits, AddMeFast and SocialClerks.

I haven't scientifically tested which of these factors have more/less impact, so I can't say with any level of certainty how much of a factor SENukeX is in my success, but I know this combination works... extremely well.

I can not comment for performances of these softwares because I have not bought any of this. My niches are very tiny and targeted therefore I have not faced any serious problems with the rankings till now.

Yes those who wants to target global market then he needs to take extra efforts for rank and traffic. At that time this software may help you to get your work easy but you can not be 100% sure that by this you will on No.1 position.

Afterall only big G know whom to rank 1st and 10th.

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I'm sure people made thousands of $$$ with this software. Only not by ranking their own pages, but by providing "SEO services" for others

SEO is a damn hard nut to crack and honestly I hate it! That said I am a most certainly taking the appletree approach with it and planting quality seeds all over the net rather than the spray and pray approach that I feel is being created with some of these tools.

One step at a time. I got plenty of time to make this work!

I use scrapebox and thebestspinner. I think both of them are awesome and take a huge load off my shoulders. When used properly that is.

The only additional software I would buy is magic submitter or senuke x. Aside from that, I have no motivation to buy anything else. =]

The key is to not use the software as the only source of ranking your websites, once you use the correct strategy alongside different software and also manual work then you will see good results

I totally agree!

OP your challenge is absolute bunk and let me tell you why.

THE SOFTWARE DOES NOT GET YOU THE RANKING. You get YOU the ranking. The software is only the tool which you use to rank your site.

And yes I use almost nothing but automated software and I am ranking for some of the most competitive keywords you can imagine.

I don't rank because of the software, I rank because I know how to use the software effectively and I have a working strategy.

So if you want the truth about SEO it's this. It works great if you know what you're doing, if you don't know what you're doing it's worthless.