Google Penguin, White-Hat Seo Out of Business Soon...

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Google Penguin update didn't really change anything that Google has deemed unacceptable,they just evolved its algorithm to catch up to those who try to loophole their way to higher Google rankings using Link Building to push the ranking to the top of Google due to this Seems to me that White-Hat Seo's is going to be out of business soon, now after Google Penguin update Google will penalizing sites for any what-hat method you use, Google just prove that to me for one moth old site that get penalty for "unnatural link building" I purchased brand new domain a month ago I added high quality and unique content 1400 word's and I didn't optimize site for SEO just add content, title and some cool images relative to my niche to make readers more focused on my site I created 200 bookmarks using 20 different kw as anchor text including "click here" and straight site domain, to make it as natural as possible as well I pinged my site,after 4 days Google index my site I could find it at serps when I type my domain that Google cached my page, since then I haven't build any links to this site week later typing my site domain I could find social bookmark's with the links point back to my site indexed at Google, but something happen, when I type my domain I couldn't find domain on serp like before I let it 2 days go by and I check it again and it's same thing when I type domain I couldn't find Google cached for my site like it was before,so to make sure I aded domain to Google webmaster tool and I confirmed my site I was shocked when I saw message - Google Webmaster Tools notice of detected unnatural links to Mysite
Dear site owner or webmaster of My site We've detected that some of your site's pages may be using techniques that are outside Google's Webmaster Guidelines.
Specifically, look for possibly artificial or unnatural links pointing to your site that could be intended to manipulate PageRank. Examples of unnatural linking could include buying links to pass PageRank or participating in link schemes.

We encourage you to make changes to your site so that it meets our quality guidelines. Once you've made these changes, please submit your site for reconsideration in Google's search results.....

So Google penalize my new site just posting social bookmarks with the links back to my site ! That's tell me that no matter what type of white hat link building you use you are going to be penalized for "unnatural links" that's Not all Google penalized another my site last week, site is 8 month old has PR 3 it was ranked #6 onto first page of Google for competitive kw I only used white hat link building, last week I saw that my site ranking to be at #6 drop all the way to page 11, I also received message in my webmaster account for that site to: Google Webmaster Tools notice of detected unnatural links to Mysite

It's only going to get worse from what I see so far, this is just beginning of the SEO nightmare, how else you could describe it ! regarding new Google Algorithm update and Over Optimization Penalty I see that over time thing is going to get worse and worse, a lot of folks making mistake think that Over Optimization Penalty is only mean ON-Page if you do "Keyword Stuffing" NO it's mostly mean OF page unfortunately with new Google Over Optimization Penalty they going to penalize any site that use "link building" to climb the ranking to the Top, any link building it will be consider as the spam to Google, anything you do to affect the rankings will eventually make Google mad and you will get penalized for "unnatural links" what is the point to putting so much time and effort to achieve #1 ranking if you are going to be ranked #1 temporarily...then after your site is wanish
in the new coming Google Algorithm update for Over-Optimizes SEO, Google is going to cracking down on over-optimised link footprints, If a webmaster continues to build white-hat links then they will face the consequences in the long term penalty for "unnatural links" because any link building will be consider as the spam by Google I see that is gonna be extremely hard to climb the ranking to #1 on Google

Here's the what is gonna happen to your site after latest Google Penguin update:

1.You keep building the links to climb the ranking over time it's very likely it will trigger the penalty for "unnatural links"

2. even if you get #1 ranking you will need constantly build links to maintain that ranking this also will trigger the penalty for "unnatural links"

3.even if #1 ranking doesn't trigger the penalty by Google the worst scenario is that somebody from competition can easily build a couple of thousands of spammy low quality links towards your site using one anchor text and trick Google into thinking your site is over-optimized and you will get penalized for "unnatural links"

White Hat content driven SEO has left the door open to spam attacks.It's far easier and cheaper than White Hat SEO to harm competition sites ranking Google still penalizing sites just for using white-hat SEO (Google just prove to me with my one month old site just using social bookmarking) then image how fast you are going to get penalized if somebody sent thousands of spammy links to your site...I thing Google will change this "unnatural link building penalty" over time as they realize that high quality content site can be penalized that easy by competition but that may take 2-3 years before they change.

that's NOt all making good profit with SEO is becoming harder and harder...do you know that Google's semantic search may trigger the death of SEO.

this may sound even worse, Google's semantic search is more extensive formula for new Google Algorithm update, semantic search the top ten results onto first page of Google will move further down the page where Google will provide answer to the users based on they search so if you have site ranked #1 your site will drop to #2 as Google will rank they answer to #1 spot so this way you are going to lose a lot of traffic as most users will click on #1 position, The potential loss of income due Google's semantic search for SEO is going to be huge.
The problem for website owners it means websites will not be able to measure their "reach" within Google search results, because users will not necessarily be clicking through to their website if they can read these answers directly on Google as they provide answer at #1 position....anyway I just see that things is gonna get worse and worse regarding SEO
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    • What is this like the 4th or 5th thread telling us the SEO sky is falling? You would think that everyone has given up and every time you do a search a blank page is coming up because no one is ranking
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      Oh yeah, even the newspaper are full of it
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    Looks like it's getting easier to rank from my own experience over the last week or so.

    I've always been about quality content that delivers repeat traffic & it's never let me down yet.

    Your over thinking what Google has said, they are not replacing organic SERPs with scraped content.
  • Rad, after reading the first paragraph of your post I could tell you should change the title because 200 bookmarks sent to your site is NOT white hat link building and 1400 words on a site does not make it quality.
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    • You mean I can't write 1 article, throw 200 bookmark links at it and rank #1? This SEO crap is too hard, I'm out!
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    • Hey Mike" what is the problem creating 200 bookmarks in single day using various anchor text ? I have Not ping those links I just create them and let them go without touching anything, Google will find them and index overtime NOT in the single day, I have done this more then 100's time so far and never had any issue until now...
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  • Google just wants a more natural link building effect, which means you can still get your own backlinks but MUCH slower! 200 social bookmark links is too much for a new site, you should of done say 5 a week.

    Yes it will probably take more time to make money as its a slower proccess if youre doing the micro niche route, but then if you do the right keywords you shouldnt need many backlinks anyway.
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  • I stopped reading here:

    As long as search engines exist, SEO will exist.
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  • We're all gonna die.
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    I read all the way through. A fascinating tale of intrigue and betrayal. You just don't get great fiction on the Warrior Forum these days, so enjoy it when it comes along.
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    • @jinx1221 ...
      That photo is seriously funny.

      LifeIsGood ~ It's About To Get Even Better!
  • SEO is far from dead, it is just becoming more difficult. As always, diversity, good content, and value all around are your best bet.
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    • Actually, it is as simple and straight forward as it has ever been. Trying to game the system with automation, schemes, and accelerating rankings, that is becoming more difficult, and frankly, that's good.

      To the OP, with a one month old domain, what did you expect? And no offence, but pinging is not natural.
  • Building links is not white hat. Also, bookmarks hardly does anything so to throw 200 at a brand new site is not only a waste of time but unnatural whether you ping or not.
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    • Google is removing poor content.

      Reading your post gave me a headache.

      I can't imagine 1400 words of that...
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    • For the most part I would agree -- especially if the only reason those links exist is to point back to your site.

      However, if you personally hang out at a couple of forums, and happen to have some links from there in useful posts that point back at your site - that doesn't strike me as something Google would have a problem with. It is more a matter of degree.

      Sometimes I'm glad I'm not currently a search algorithm programmer at Google. It is an interesting task to identify auto-generated links, as the auto-generating software and link companies keep getting more and more sneaky.

      I believe there's a WSO running now from a Pakistani company who is saying that they do everything by hand -- create a bunch of accounts with a ton of usernames, make good participatory comments for a long time with no links, then add links along with good participatory comments in a natural manner. As long as their communication skills are OK, this could be especially hard for Google to catch.

      Lots of backlinks just for backlinks sake to a single page site - not going to be too natural. Backlinks from a variety of sources, attached to useful unique content and postings to different pages on a site with lots of solid content - harder for Google to find or have a problem with.
  • good, let them de-index the auto-created spam sites to make more room for those of us with patience and a modicum of quality to offer.

    edit: also, you say white hat SEO is dead. and you are probably right. didn't that go out the window the first time somebody created a link?
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    • There is no black or white. There is stuff that works, stuff that
      doesn't work.

      I will give a ton of credit to a core group of warriors here. They
      can have disagreements on this or that, but the GOOD things
      for your website have always been promoted by these people.

      Those good things have never changed. Look it up.

      Now there is a small part about adapting...notice I said adapt,
      not change. Big difference.

      For your consideration. A parable of wannabe mentality.

      For years I snuck on a bus to get to work. Every day,
      I looked for ways to get around the bus driver and that
      cash box. I aint paying. Today, they stationed an extra
      person on board. I could not sneak in. I got caught. Told
      to go away or pay. Now I can't get to work. I will be fired.
      I'll lose my house. Stupid bus company! They have ruined
      my life! They just want to kill the little guy! Shake us down
      for a buck and a half! They are killing business people right
      left. Soon, they'll be left with no bus riders. Empty buses.

      Paul
  • I think hes got it wrong
    write up some really good content post to your site
    Fire up senuke and Xrumer on all the top 10 sites and see what happens.
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    • That is what you call "getting it right"!?... Unbelievable!
  • "SEO is dead !!"

    Less competitors for me
  • SEO is far from dead, as far as I can see from the stuff I've been looking at over the past few days I think it will take even less effort soon in terms of using automated software etc. Easier for legit sites to get out there.
  • I think a lot of you folks are in denial.

    Please do some research on what is really going on before you say things like "Google is just getting rid of bad sites"... and pretend that everything is just AOK unless you're a black hatter.

    That is simply not true. The evidence suggests that thousands of really good sites with great content have been punished while sites with little or no content are replacing those good sites in the rankings. I have seen MANY examples of this including my own content-rich site and so to say that this is all just people worrying over nothing is just plain wrong.

    The fact is people are losing their income over this and many - not all - were punished unfairly, their sites are NOT web spam and are in fact really good quality sites. The fact is the new algorithm is punishing great sites while putting really lousy sites - in many cases! - up to the Page One. It's having the opposite effect of what Google said their intentions were.

    After reading so much about it, and seeing so much evidence of how good sites are losing money because of this latest update, I put together some evidence and wrote a blog about it. Read it if you dare to know the truth.
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    • Here is just one example of this

      Search for "Texas House Plans"

      The first site no back links at all. At least as far as I can tell. Also there are other sites with considerably more content than this site. There are probably countless examples of these type of results.

      I am seeing bouncing going on though so I think they are still making changes to the algo as we speak.
    • Have to agree. They have served some real crap up in place of what used to be pretty decent content. Everyone who had an interest in a serious site back linked
  • I don't think Google would destroy search results to give more advantage to AdWords advertisers...
  • @ Op - Are you scared? Well, you shouldn't be, you're on Scare Tactics.
  • Scare Tactics or Not either way check Google Webmaster forum, webmaster complaints every day, in fact every few hours reporting that they site drop the ranking due to some penalties...
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    • :rolleyes:BS! I'm still ranking with spun content and a private blog network.
      YES! YES! YES! With unnatural links love letter from GWT too.

      if you really think 200 social bookmarks to a new site is natural, then congratulations, you have found a secret sauce to disappoint yourself.

      Dilute, Dilute and just Dilute your anchor text as much as you can, you'll be fine even with unnatural link BS!

      Basics never change in life or seo...always!
      'nuff said really!

      Back to work!
  • I agree with ScrooG:

    I feel its a battle on here... people who whine about Google, and then those who come and say "nothing has changed, its all about quality content! Go Google!".. Its just an annoying back and forth...

    The latter has actually become MORE annoying. Its usually two of the same people who sit on here and troll (you know who you are). Do you guys actually make money online or just sit on here?

    I provided fantastic content to my niches and I got slammed. My products were EXACTLY what people were looking for, and provided a great user experience. I made the mistake of outsourcing my SEO and my inbound anchor ratio is probably off. I am now in a very dark place.
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  • So If I'm correct blog commenting is not white hat SEO. I just recently went through a webinar with Matt Carter about the new panda update and they said that now Google wants user experience.So therefore you want less backlinks and more high quality content for your websites. An for your articles you want to write about topics not keywords.
  • Wow! Almost all our sites are affected by penguin update. Sites that were previously ranked on first page (with some 1st-spot rankings) are now nowhere to be found (I've only browsed through page 5).

    But guess what?

    Who cares?

    Yes our traffic from google will take a toll, but thankfully we only rely a small percentage of our overall traffic from google. So we don't really give a s*&^ :-)

    Do business on your own terms. Never, ever, let other people (google or whoever else) take away your income overnight.

    Diversify!
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    • No I lost only 5 sites the rest of other sites which is over 20 are still ranked I have not notice any drop due those Google update only those 5 sites that got penalized for "unnatural" links their had Google Analytic and Google Webmaster installed maybe that may be reason for ranking drop, the rest of other sites I am tracking activity on "StatCounter" maybe if I didn't had Analytic and GWT on those 5 sites that got penalized maybe they wouldn't get penalized I don't know...
  • For the love of GOD LINK BUILDERS ARE NOT SEO's! Aaaaahhh!
  • I think SEO becomes harder than before to get good ranking.
    Sometime keywords rank down, disapponited.
  • I swear every other thread on this Forum has someone complaining about the latest Penguin update. Whenever someone loses a ranking, another person gains a rank. But 9/10 people on here seem to have dropped ranking. Concidering most people on here are SEO's, I guess the Penguin update was a success from Google's point of view, as they don't want sites to rank from their own SEO work
  • Building links is such a pain for me. I do not have the time to do so. So I just let my sites be?! And hopefully some sites would link me back. It also seems to me that google is now seriously penalizing sites who buy links??? Is link buying dead?
  • hahaha ... i do not believe you guys ...

    Seo will never die just change, like it does every single 3 months ...

    I have develop a strategy that doubled my daily traffic more simple then before .. using new seo strategy ..

    It is amazing... Good linkbuiding never dies.

    You have to change your way of seeing SEo .. that is all . Believe me that is even much more simple to rank than before when everybody runs for millions of backlinks .

    Now you have to usae just some of them and make as many anchore texts as possible.

    I have succed this one in just a week ....
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    • Yes, Google more harder but if you follow Google policies then you easily working on SEO projects. Just remember the Keywords stuffing, website content and link schemes
  • oh man.. now i understand what is white hat seo, it's 200 link from social bookmark
  • Yes 200 links from social bookmarking in a single day, so you think Google find all those 200 links in a single day then decide to penalize my site, I have Not ping those links it take about a month for search engine to find and index those links...
  • Looks like that Google "unnatural" llinks penalty has decreased significantly according to Google webmaster forum...
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  • SEO is NOT dead! I believe it will continue as long as there are search engines. Traditional SEO is Dead. SEO is evolving. This is very similar to what happened in Florida update year 2003. Same reaction from the internet marketers and SEO community.
  • Yeah . SEO is dead .. so please stay away .

    shhh . let me rank my keywords
  • I am NOT saying SEO is dead, it's just harder and much risky then used to be, think about this you rank site #1 for some term that has high CPC and many advertiser that running they Ad for particular term, you making good sales But advertisers that spending Huge advertising budget to have their Ad on the top may not getting enough Click or spending to much for CPC without making profit because your site get too much attention to the users especially if you have 5 start review rating, if those advertisers start to complain to Google that they loosing clicks or spending to much on clicks without making profit due to your site ranked #1 Google will check your site manually and in order to keep their advertisers happy it's very likely that they will penalize and drop your site ranking for No reason,as Google earning money from advertisers Not from your site, and this is just one very small example why SEO is much risky today then used to be and there is many other reason that Google can penalize your site just like that but won't to mention all of them, you work so hard to get that ranking as having #1 ranking for some term is the most valuable online Real Estate you can have..but in the morning when you wake up you can find out that all your ranking got vanished regardless all good's you did..Got be careful which terms you are targeting...
  • SEO aint dying ever. As long as Google and other search engines stays, SEO stays too. Infact other businesses are dying all around the world but SEO industry hasn't experienced any crisis so far.
  • This isn't White Hat SEO. If it is, you've probably done the same thing many spammers done with back links before. There is, and always will be another strategy used to convey link building. One thing that I question a lot is why do people still use "direct" link building style. It's so old school by now and pretty sure Google has found out that. Sure doing direct link building is faster gains, but pretty sure this Penguin update has it fixed. People, one thing to say, think "indirect"!
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  • you can't really rank onto top spot for competitive keyword with "white hat seo" if you just waiting to other webmaster link to your site naturally, most of those sites that are ranked onto top for competitive keywords are ranked with gaming the system, so I don't know what you are exactly mean by "white hat seo" any method that artificially rise the ranking is Not white hat SEO so if you want to rank high you have to gaming the system...
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    • You got it my man. Damn this OP sure sounded whiny. I bet he quit SEO. Hopefully he didn't attempt to take his own life over an update.

      Man, some of you cats have to TOUGHEN UP if you plan on making it in this business. In the online world you got to earn your keeps.
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  • death of SEO is when Google penalized your site and you lose the ranking ...

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    Google Penguin update didn't really change anything that Google has deemed unacceptable,they just evolved its algorithm to catch up to those who try to loophole their way to higher Google rankings using Link Building to push the ranking to the top of Google due to this Seems to me that White-Hat Seo's is going to be out of business soon, now after Google Penguin update Google will penalizing sites for any what-hat method you use, Google just prove that to me for one moth old site that get penalty for "unnatural link building" I purchased brand new domain a month ago I added high quality and unique content 1400 word's and I didn't optimize site for SEO just add content, title and some cool images relative to my niche to make readers more focused on my site I created 200 bookmarks using 20 different kw as anchor text including "click here" and straight site domain, to make it as natural as possible as well I pinged my site,after 4 days Google index my site I could find it at serps when I type my domain that Google cached my page, since then I haven't build any links to this site week later typing my site domain I could find social bookmark's with the links point back to my site indexed at Google, but something happen, when I type my domain I couldn't find domain on serp like before I let it 2 days go by and I check it again and it's same thing when I type domain I couldn't find Google cached for my site like it was before,so to make sure I aded domain to Google webmaster tool and I confirmed my site I was shocked when I saw message - Google Webmaster Tools notice of detected unnatural links to Mysite Dear site owner or webmaster of My site We've detected that some of your site's pages may be using techniques that are outside Google's Webmaster Guidelines. Specifically, look for possibly artificial or unnatural links pointing to your site that could be intended to manipulate PageRank. Examples of unnatural linking could include buying links to pass PageRank or participating in link schemes.