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13 years ago

first talk with the providers and understand, whether they know about all latest updates and changes. If they understood, then you are good to go.

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guavasofts 13 years ago

Its depend upon your budget to handle "inhouse seo" staff and you can get some discount on outsourcing.
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13 years ago

There are many good cheap providers, this has nothing to do with the country of these providers you just need to pick the right one or do everything by yourself...

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nik0

Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by evevo

Is this still a feasible option?

Or have the most recent changes in Penguin now made it impossible to rely o outsourcing your SEO to places such as india, pakistan, philipenes etc...

I own a web design company in the UK so would appreciate any input or advise anyone has. Whether its best too pursue a future of 'in house' SEO staff, or to still outsource some of the work abroad...

Appreciate any advice anyone has.

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Hi Rob,

We work for a lot of SEO companies that are located in the US, the UK, you name it. Because of this we know what people want and often when I have a bit to spammy idea then they correct me so I learned exactly what to do and what not. We have a whole team of VA's to assist us and I always give very clear instructions to them. Cause I'm a one man business I can keep the prices low, no expensive office and all.

If you're interested you can take a look at the links in my signature and see what I mean. When you do business with me it's a little more expensive then directly outsourcing to India, Phillipines and such but at the same time a lot cheaper then doing it in-house. Looking forward to do business with you.

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scottmacair

13 years ago

Originally Posted by evevo

Is this still a feasible option?

Or have the most recent changes in Penguin now made it impossible to rely o outsourcing your SEO to places such as india, pakistan, philipenes etc...

I own a web design company in the UK so would appreciate any input or advise anyone has. Whether its best too pursue a future of 'in house' SEO staff, or to still outsource some of the work abroad...

Appreciate any advice anyone has.

Thanks,

Rob

Hi Rob,

I ran a web design company in the UK for a few years and most of my money was actually made outsourcing SEO. In the end I gave it up as a bunch of clients received Unnatural Links Detected Notices which effectively killed their businesses overnight. It was very hard to deal with to be honest.

So if you're gonna outsource SEO make sure it's with someone who knows what their doing. It's one thing when you're messing with your own projects and sites but taking responsibility for a client business is different and requires care. For what it's worth i've tested Nik0's work and as far as Warrior Services go he is one of the better providers active on this forum. Mike F and Mike Anthony are also worth looking up as they both have a lot of experience in this area.

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evevo

13 years ago

Hi Scott,

Appreciate your reply and honesty.

Why is it you have stopped completely? Would you not rather keep looking until you find a more suitable partner to work with? There is clearly a lot of money to be made in this industry and its certainly not going anywhere.

I know what you mean about the risk. Thankfully (i think) the only websites that were hit were my personal ones and not our clients!

Rob

Originally Posted by scottmacair

Hi Rob,

I ran a web design company in the UK for a few years and most of my money was actually made outsourcing SEO. In the end I gave it up as a bunch of clients received Unnatural Links Detected Notices which effectively killed their businesses overnight. It was very hard to deal with to be honest.

So if you're gonna outsource SEO make sure it's with someone who knows what their doing. It's one thing when you're messing with your own projects and sites but taking responsibility for a client business is different and requires care. For what it's worth i've tested Nik0's work and as far as Warrior Services go he is one of the better providers active on this forum. Mike F and Mike Anthony are also worth looking up as they both have a lot of experience in this area.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by evevo

Hi Scott,

Appreciate your reply and honesty.

Why is it you have stopped completely? Would you not rather keep looking until you find a more suitable partner to work with? There is clearly a lot of money to be made in this industry and its certainly not going anywhere.

I know what you mean about the risk. Thankfully (i think) the only websites that were hit were my personal ones and not our clients!

Rob

I stopped partly because I lost most of my SEO clients overnight and had to refund a months work to all clients which was a big financial hit for me. At the same time i'd just become a dad and had to explain to my family that my business had taken a massive hit due to shady practices - it didn't look good as someone trying to be a responsible father running a reliable business. Prior to the crash i was making £70,000 a year which we were taking for granted.

The other factor was the bad feeling that came from informing clients that i had trashed their sites inadvertently. They trusted me and i changed from hero to villain in minutes. I was also freaked out that there would be legal consequences, one of my clients run a 15 year well known UK business that crashed with the penalty notice - they were mad at me as their sales tanked.

All in all it was such a bad experience that I decided to run. I pulled down my site, deleted everything, send one final apology email and then changed email address, phone number and address.

On reflection there is a lot of work available and if you're using practices within google's T & C then I think you can feel ok when there's ups and down knowing that it's not because your being dodgy. I may pick it up again but for now i'm working on a few other projects that don't involve clients

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Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by scottmacair

I stopped partly because I lost most of my SEO clients overnight and had to refund a months work to all clients which was a big financial hit for me. At the same time i'd just become a dad and had to explain to my family that my business had taken a massive hit due to shady practices - it didn't look good as someone trying to be a responsible father running a reliable business. Prior to the crash i was making £70,000 a year which we were taking for granted.

The other factor was the bad feeling that came from informing clients that i had trashed their sites inadvertently. They trusted me and i changed from hero to villain in minutes. I was also freaked out that there would be legal consequences, one of my clients run a 15 year well known UK business that crashed with the penalty notice - they were mad at me as their sales tanked.

All in all it was such a bad experience that I decided to run. I pulled down my site, deleted everything, send one final apology email and then changed email address, phone number and address.

On reflection there is a lot of work available and if you're using practices within google's T & C then I think you can feel ok when there's ups and down knowing that it's not because your being dodgy. I may pick it up again but for now i'm working on a few other projects that don't involve clients

Sorry to hear about that, but yes it's the reality, you won't be the first one I hear saying that the stress get's them too much or a lot. Especially in these times there are tons of seo companies that charge high prices and that only used BMR or ALN, for example. Not saying you used that as it sounds like more in the past but still, you get my point.

For me it's relatively easy, okay I also tanked sites during the deindexing which sucks ofcourse but there is a huge difference between someone outsourcing their affiliate/MFA site to me for $50 $100 that gets tanked or some company that pays $500/$1000 each and every month that gets tanked and loses a big cut of their income due to it. So yeah I can definetly imagine the stress that comes with that.

Many people tell me, go sell SEO outside these forums, start to charge real prices, all nice and well but I don't want to get pushed into such position, I rather just be a simple link seller

People can see exactly what they buy so if they don't like it, yeah well then don't buy it. With the larger SEO companies you never really know what they do exactly so yeah they have a reason to blame the company when they mess up as the client thinks they are in good hands, but nothing so unpredictable as mr G.

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13 years ago

You just need to ensure that you are outsourcing to someone is on the ball and lives and breathes SEO. Someone who can adapt and split test to all of the big G's many updates.

Don't just outsource to someone who is using techniques which may hurt your SEO or prove to be in-effective two months down the track.

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evevo

13 years ago

Hi All,

I greatly appreciate your response to my post. Im sure we are in the same position as many other SEO/Web Design companies who now have to re-evaluate their strategy. Currently we outsource to Pakistan, but now need to move onto 'whiter' pastures shall we say...

I shall contact nik0 today, but could anyone else recommend either any other good companies we could outsource to? Or platforms we could use to find them (other than elance or oDesk).

Many thanks,

Rob

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evevo

13 years ago

Hi Nik0,

Thanks for your reply on my post.

Im very interested in your proposal, how can i get in touch to discuss further?
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Rob

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nik0 Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by evevo

Hi Nik0,

Thanks for your reply on my post.

Im very interested in your proposal, how can i get in touch to discuss further?
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Rob

You can pm me or send me an email to info@seoservicegroup.com
You can also add me to Skype if you want to chat about it. I'll send you a PM
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markowe

13 years ago

I think the days of cheap SEO (which is what you are really asking about) are numbered. Cheap SEO relies on automation, plain and simple, or on VERY cheap labour, which again does not hold the promise of much quality.

Good SEO is not some big secret - create social campaigns, do guest blog posting, write newsworthy content/press releases, create relationships in your niche. But can someone from Pakistan offer you all that, especially for a cheap price? I doubt it in the vast majority of cases, because of the language barrier, first and foremost.

So all you can hope for is that you will find a cheap provider who uses automation, but has learned to do it in an intelligent way post-Penguin. Right now I bet you can count those providers on the fingers of one hand - most of them are still running Scrapebox and SENuke blasts...

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scottmacair

13 years ago

Originally Posted by markowe

I think the days of cheap SEO (which is what you are really asking about) are numbered. Cheap SEO relies on automation, plain and simple, or on VERY cheap labour, which again does not hold the promise of much quality.

Good SEO is not some big secret - create social campaigns, do guest blog posting, write newsworthy content/press releases, create relationships in your niche. But can someone from Pakistan offer you all that, especially for a cheap price? I doubt it in the vast majority of cases, because of the language barrier, first and foremost.

So all you can hope for is that you will find a cheap provider who uses automation, but has learned to do it in an intelligent way post-Penguin. Right now I bet you can count those providers on the fingers of one hand - most of them are still running Scrapebox and SENuke blasts...

Excellent points - cheap SEO is either mostly ineffective and / or penalized. For the time being if you can't afford quality SEO services I think you're better doing it by hand, only using automation if you've first learned by hand and know what you're doing.

When I look at an SEO service if i see any of these words I cringe: Spun, Scraped, Blast, Private Blog Network, Xrumer

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by scottmacair

Excellent points - cheap SEO is either mostly ineffective and / or penalized. For the time being if you can't afford quality SEO services I think you're better doing it by hand, only using automation if you've first learned by hand and know what you're doing.

When I look at an SEO service if i see any of these words I cringe: Spun, Scraped, Blast, Private Blog Network, Xrumer

One clarification I would add here. There is nothing wrong with a private network. It is the public networks that call themselves private that cause problems.

If your clients don't want to invest $500+ a month for SEO, maybe you want to find new clients. If you go much cheaper than that, with a few exceptions, you are most likely putting their business on the edge of disaster.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

One clarification I would add here. There is nothing wrong with a private network. It is the public networks that call themselves private that cause problems.

If your clients don't want to invest $500+ a month for SEO, maybe you want to find new clients. If you go much cheaper than that, with a few exceptions, you are most likely putting their business on the edge of disaster.

Great point Mike - Public Networks mislabeling themselves as Private are to be avoided. Good PBN's still exist but they are expensive - quality costs money.

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gearmonkey

13 years ago

Originally Posted by scottmacair

Great point Mike - Public Networks mislabeling themselves as Private are to be avoided. Good PBN's still exist but they are expensive - quality costs money.

I have a private blog network that I offer to the public. The reason why my network is going stronger than ever is because I don't mess around with low quality, spun, or duplicate content. My blog posts are manual with useful / high quality hand written articles -- I include images and sometime videos.

The problem with the PBNs that you were having is the mass produced and spun garbage all automated with no diversity. Google found the networks by tracking the duplicate or poorly spun content and found most of the network using the same duplicate articles.

The key now is finding high quality networks that have top notch quality control. My networks get lots of traffic and rank top 150-200k in alexa.

Blog networks, if done correctly, are better than ever.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by gearmonkey

I have a private blog network that I offer to the public. The reason why my network is going stronger than ever is because I don't mess around with low quality, spun, or duplicate content. My blog posts are manual with useful / high quality hand written articles -- I include images and sometime videos.

The problem with the PBNs that you were having is the mass produced and spun garbage all automated with no diversity. Google found the networks by tracking the duplicate or poorly spun content and found most of the network using the same duplicate articles.

The key now is finding high quality networks that have top notch quality control. My networks get lots of traffic and rank top 150-200k in alexa.

Blog networks, if done correctly, are better than ever.

Just out of interest, how do you hide or disguise the fact that most of the outbound links on a network are to low quality sites. This could be a flag. I'm not trying to be cheeky, i'm just interested?

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by scottmacair

Just out of interest, how do you hide or disguise the fact that most of the outbound links on a network are to low quality sites. This could be a flag. I'm not trying to be cheeky, i'm just interested?

So true. The exact anchor text links to crap websites is a big red flag.

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Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by scottmacair

Just out of interest, how do you hide or disguise the fact that most of the outbound links on a network are to low quality sites. This could be a flag. I'm not trying to be cheeky, i'm just interested?

Not only to low quality sites, also to 50 totally different sites, I think he tries to be the next Digg or Reddit

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gearmonkey

13 years ago

Originally Posted by scottmacair

Just out of interest, how do you hide or disguise the fact that most of the outbound links on a network are to low quality sites. This could be a flag. I'm not trying to be cheeky, i'm just interested?

Did those blog networks screen the backlinks or did they just allow any random link from a paying buyer?

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Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by gearmonkey

I have a private blog network that I offer to the public. The reason why my network is going stronger than ever is because I don't mess around with low quality, spun, or duplicate content. My blog posts are manual with useful / high quality hand written articles -- I include images and sometime videos.

The problem with the PBNs that you were having is the mass produced and spun garbage all automated with no diversity. Google found the networks by tracking the duplicate or poorly spun content and found most of the network using the same duplicate articles.

The key now is finding high quality networks that have top notch quality control. My networks get lots of traffic and rank top 150-200k in alexa.

Blog networks, if done correctly, are better than ever.

Oh really??? How about BMR that only accepted unique content that got deindexed at the very same time, cause of crappy spun content? Oh come on, they also added video's and images to each post so that's definetly no remedy.

It's funny that I hear you and others who have their own network talking about quality, you put 50 outbound links on your homepage and the other one puts 80 outbound links on their homepage. Yes very natural, and probably linking out to 50 totally different niches or do you have 50 seperate high PR networks?

Very natural :rolleyes:

ps: If your network was that good and sustaining you would never sell links for a onetime fee but would keep on charging monthly

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gearmonkey

13 years ago

Originally Posted by nik0

Oh really??? How about BMR that only accepted unique content that got deindexed at the very same time, cause of crappy spun content? Oh come on, they also added video's and images to each post so that's definetly no remedy.

It's funny that I hear you and others who have their own network talking about quality, you put 50 outbound links on your homepage and the other one puts 80 outbound links on their homepage. Yes very natural, and probably linking out to 50 totally different niches or do you have 50 seperate high PR networks?

Very natural :rolleyes:

ps: If your network was that good and sustaining you would never sell links for a onetime fee but would keep on charging monthly

I never used BMR, but didn't they allow 200 word articles? Where's the quality in 200 - 300 word articles?

Did BMR accept only articles that were useful to the reader, or did they just accept random articles with no purpose other than to put a link in?

Also, I was selling my blogroll package monthly as well. I feel the one off fee is a better bargain for the buyer.

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Originally Posted by gearmonkey

I never used BMR, but didn't they allow 200 word articles? Where's the quality in 200 - 300 word articles?

Did BMR accept only articles that were useful to the reader, or did they just accept random articles with no purpose other than to put a link in?

Also, I was selling my blogroll package monthly as well. I feel the one off fee is a better bargain for the buyer.

Even less, 150 words I think, which makes it look more like a bookmark site, maybe 150 words is still to much for that.

Either way I think a bookmark style is the only way to disguise that it's in fact a blog network, I mean if you post 50 articles on your homepage of 500 words each, probably with the readmore tag I guess, otherwise it would get a very long page, I think there is nothing natural about it, okay you only have 4-5 sites (that you offer in 1 package) so maybe that's why you can fly under the radar but a manual reviewer would never approve this. It's just not possible to make 50 totally different topics look natural.

In the current climate it's a much better deal for the seller then for the buyer, the biggest risk of running a blog network is getting deindexed, and when you sell it for a one time fee you instantly get rid of all the risks cause you have your money already and for the client it's just hoping the sites will hold, while if they rented and paid a little more they could cancel the subscription any day they want.

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gearmonkey

13 years ago

Originally Posted by nik0

Even less, 150 words I think, which makes it look more like a bookmark site, maybe 150 words is still to much for that.

Either way I think a bookmark style is the only way to disguise that it's in fact a blog network, I mean if you post 50 articles on your homepage of 500 words each, probably with the readmore tag I guess, otherwise it would get a very long page, I think there is nothing natural about it, okay you only have 4-5 sites (that you offer in 1 package) so maybe that's why you can fly under the radar but a manual reviewer would never approve this. It's just not possible to make 50 totally different topics look natural.

Your theory is 150 article should simulate a bookmarking site? I'm not buying it.

How does a 150 word article help the reader? Clearly it doesn't. There's no quality in a 150 word articles. Your bookmarking theory atleast directs the user to the full article to read and get the information they are really looking for.

Google want's quality, BMR was the complete opposite if they approved 150 word "articles". Damn straight Google took them out!

Originally Posted by nik0

In the current climate it's a much better deal for the seller then for the buyer, the biggest risk of running a blog network is getting deindexed, and when you sell it for a one time fee you instantly get rid of all the risks cause you have your money already and for the client it's just hoping the sites will hold, while if they rented and paid a little more they could cancel the subscription any day they want.

If any of my sites got de-indexed I will give a pro-rated refund. Problem solved. The lifetime link makes better sense for the buyer and for me. I've done month-to-month, but it was too much of a hassle. I don't have time to take inventory of each buyer who fails to pay a certain month for insufficient funds and chasing my money or dealing with removing their link till they can afford to pay again, then re-adding their link again. It wasn't worth the time and effort to me. It's better to place the link and forget it.

I guess your theory would be legit concern for fly-by-night link sellers looking to rip people off...

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Originally Posted by gearmonkey

If any of my sites got de-indexed I will give a pro-rated refund. Problem solved. The lifetime link makes better sense for the buyer and for me. I've done month-to-month, but it was too much of a hassle. I don't have time to take inventory of each buyer who fails to pay a certain month for insufficient funds and chasing my money or dealing with removing their link till they can afford to pay again, then re-adding their link again. It wasn't worth the time and effort to me. It's better to place the link and forget it.

I guess your theory would be legit concern for fly-by-night link sellers looking to rip people off...

Okay that sounds very fair indeed, after the deindexing I saw a lot of people offering one time fee links and stuffing the site full of links so they didn't have to care about it anymore so I placed big question marks at that. It's nice to hear you handle it in a proper way. Kudos for that!

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Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by markowe

I think the days of cheap SEO (which is what you are really asking about) are numbered. Cheap SEO relies on automation, plain and simple, or on VERY cheap labour, which again does not hold the promise of much quality.

Good SEO is not some big secret - create social campaigns, do guest blog posting, write newsworthy content/press releases, create relationships in your niche. But can someone from Pakistan offer you all that, especially for a cheap price? I doubt it in the vast majority of cases, because of the language barrier, first and foremost.

So all you can hope for is that you will find a cheap provider who uses automation, but has learned to do it in an intelligent way post-Penguin. Right now I bet you can count those providers on the fingers of one hand - most of them are still running Scrapebox and SENuke blasts...

Its funny you say that cause I just finished a chat with an seo company in India and asked him if he could give me relevant links, first thing he asked was: "Blogcomments?". Lol, no not blog comments. Yes they help but if you want to go whitehat and the comment needs to get approved then you can't type: "Hey nice blog, thanks for sharing".

Guest blog posting is a good one but it's not cheap, you need a solid article that will cost at least $10-15 and then you need to submit it so the costprice for 1 guestpost would easily be $20,-. I already see my self offering a package for $100,- with 3 guestposts/backlinks. I don't think that will sell very well. One of the reasons why I started 30 mini niche networks, okay it's not that very natural of course but it's as close as it can get for these prices.

My strategy is to use link sources that aren't getting spammed to massively, it's the only way to distinguish yourself a bit and still stay affordable. I've proven it pretty much that links from unique referring domains work, even if it's not relevant and the pages where your link ends up on is PR n/a.

One of the reasons why I signed a $4k/year deal with PRweb for example and why we do everything manual cause I tried senukex campaigns a lot and it definetly didn't move a thing. We have to row with the things we have right.

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13 years ago

Hello! I personally think if I were you, I'd make sure that you're hiring people who knows a lot about SEO stuff and are reliable and fair with payments. That's a check list. Just SEO stuff, the most important check. I hope that helped you in a way or so. Best of luck to you though.

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evevo

13 years ago

Thanks everyone for your input. I'm sorry Scott to hear about your situation. At least you are actively doing something about it to move forward.

The general consensus seems then that outsourcing may now be unsustainable. OK, in the short term it may work, but this could prove very costly in the long term.

I still believe it is possible to offer a company some ROI on less than £500 per month, but just not in the same way as before. i.e going for keyword rankings and 'money words'. I suppose the best I could hope is to use some of the strengths of outsourcing whilst getting the quality from my team in the UK. i.e all of the content creation etc. Or does everyone feel that outsourcing is a complete 'no go' any longer?

p.s i must say, great timing by Google (Recession hits - google decides to make it harder for small companies to survive and grow) Looks like the big boys in advertising wont be having sleepless nights though (-;

Any further thoughts would be greatly appreciated...

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seoace 13 years ago

Before you outsource your seo post penguin, you need to look at :-

Your onpage seo & what the service has to offer

Does the service contain :-
1. Anchor diversity
2. Link diversity
3. Type of links (I would avoid private blog networks & blog comments)
These links can provide a great boost in your SERP however they pose a risk to get spammed & deindexed.
4. Link velocity
5. IP diversity
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danb12

13 years ago

Well - outsourcing your work can mean it being over 100% cheaper then hiring in house staff in the UK.

Make sure your workers know what they are doing, then you will be fine.

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Theeban

13 years ago

I would recommend you to go ahead to Freelancer.com and hire someone there, There are lots of well reputed SEO guys with massive experience. Check their reviews and past projects before you select them, before select them get clarifications on what they will do for you? and update your requirement on link building.... If they agree, you can hire them and get started...

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13 years ago

Back links are still important to get good position in the SEO; the problem is there are many people don’t know the proper way to build back links.

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jasono

13 years ago

SEO is still very important for every business whether big or small. You just have to hire the right providers.

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13 years ago

hi Rob,

I'm from Antwerp, Belgium, but I'm running a link building production line in Thailand.

it's a good question whether or not to use cheap services, because cheap crap simply doesn't work anymore. but that's because they did a poor job.

this while I always focussed on quality, because we're already cheap simply thanks to being in Thailand, but for example I hire native English writers from UK and USA to do the writing. they're much more expensive than Thai staff, but still cheaper than hiring them if they were in the US or UK. this while they only have to focus on the core of their job, for all the extra we have Thai assistance.

so you still get western quality from us, yet at about 1/3 of the price you would pay in your own country.

so, yes, outsourcing is still good, but only if you order from a quality company like mine, as most of those Indian services simply don't care.

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icyimp

13 years ago

Basically, Google has shut down any automation tactics unless your super tricky about it. High quality content and hard work is all that's left.

I also noticed (while updating my keyword research tables with MSamurai) that in at least 2 of the niches (and I did not check more) that it looks like domain age became more important or for most of the keywords.

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IsaacWendt

13 years ago

You will always be able to outsource your SEO, it's just the SEO that you are having done that might not work.

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AbbyBryant

13 years ago

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Nile Anderson

13 years ago

Don't prefer freelancer,give your work to SEO company rather than freelancer.

Originally Posted by AbbyBryant

I have given my seo work to Indian SEO Experts even after post penguin I don't see any change in my ranking. There are experts round the globe who can do seo in very affordable price.

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