Backlinking Actually Harms Your Search Engine Results Now

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kolbywhite28

13 years ago

Originally Posted by seamy82

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I have found that backlinking actually hurts your results now. I had a website with no backlinks which I created only two weeks ago and it turned up on page 3. I created 1 web 2.0 property on wordpress and wrote a really good unique niche related article and put a link to my new site with the anchor text 'click here' and the site plumetted by 2 pages in 24 hours. What is this all about? What is it that Google are looking for? What do they deem natural?

Fed Up To Be Honest,
Seamy

To be honest, sites and pages move around the SERPs all the time. It is probably random and probably has nothing to do with your backlinking.

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seamy82

13 years ago

I have found this happenning on my other sites also. I have been using a lot of low risk fiverr gigs as tier 2 and this is actually hurting my rankings as well. I do tier 1 linking manually and then ranom fiverr gigs for tier 1 but still I get spanked by google. WTF?

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yukon

Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by seamy82

I have found this happenning on my other sites also. I have been using a lot of low risk fiverr gigs as tier 2 and this is actually hurting my rankings as well. I do tier 1 linking manually and then ranom fiverr gigs for tier 1 but still I get spanked by google. WTF?

Problem solved.

Stop buying junk links.

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Deepikarajpal

13 years ago

bro backlinks are crucial..may be your website that is rank without backlinks have very less competition online. so it get rank obviously but for competitive site it is possible to get rank without building quality links

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seamy82

13 years ago

I think there is negative linking going on here since the last algo update. They view auto-approve blogs such as web2.0s as a negative backlink and are penalising me for it. Web 2.0s are officially dead.

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abid4seo

13 years ago

I don't think so, that back links are harmful. I'm working for website for very hot keywords. In start I have selected three long tail keywords and my website is improving day by day. In SERPs, Alexa and Google Webmaster Tools average position. I'm posting to relevant directories and social bookmarking websites, not everyone.

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paulgl

13 years ago

Yes people. I would now recommend you stop backlinking.
Especially if you happen to be in the same niches as
I am.

Anyone who has read me here for years knows
that I have always said, backlink smarter, not just backlink.

Not to stop backlinking. That would be insane.

Nothing really has changed in that regard.

Besides, you can't control linkbait. So, what do you
want? No linkbait? I love it!

Put up a sign on all your sites, "Don't backlink to me!
I don't want to be penalized!"

Sound crazy? Exactly.

Paul

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Nile Anderson

13 years ago

In SEO,Ranking is essential. if you have got ranking quick with help of onpage then it would good but ranking depends upon keyword "Competition". If your targeted keyword has low competition then it would be naturally to rank well with few efforts.

Link Building is process to get quality backlinks to boost up ranking. I don't think backlinking does harmful. Of course,if you do black hat techniques then you could be penalize by Google so I would always prefer white hat techniques.

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Crew Chief

13 years ago

OP, like Bnetwork said, if that one experience with backlinking has got you, "Fed up" you are in for a very rough IM ride.

The SERPs fluctuate for the majority of sites on a consistent basis.

It sounds like you were under the impression that SEO is an exact science that can be quantified. You need to wake up to the fact that it is not.

Internet Marketing is WAR and SEO is the battleground and generally speaking, those who get fed up will be fired upon by the competition and by the SERPs.

You need to make decision to fight and win or get fed up and fail!

Originally Posted by seamy82

Hi,

I have found that backlinking actually hurts your results now. I had a website with no backlinks which I created only two weeks ago and it turned up on page 3. I created 1 web 2.0 property on wordpress and wrote a really good unique niche related article and put a link to my new site with the anchor text 'click here' and the site plumetted by 2 pages in 24 hours. What is this all about? What is it that Google are looking for? What do they deem natural?

Fed Up To Be Honest,
Seamy

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seamy82

13 years ago

I am only reporting my experiences as of late. Links from Web 2.0s harm your Google listing. Despite the content being unique, great quality and niche related. This is a new domain with no previous bad habits exacted on it. The web2.0s contain pictures and some contain video links to youtube. What kind of backlinks can I get for my website? I have some guest blogging links, web 2.0s and blog comments on other site but they've had little or no affect. The keywords I am targetting are local and non-competative but Google seems to hate what I am doing post penguin. I should be able to dominate for these search terms without any issues but I am coming up short. Any ideas on a strategy? Article links are dead also. It seems that everything a part from link from high pr pages is dead. PR0s no matter how many of them you get, hurt your ranking not improve it. What is the future?

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cooler1

13 years ago

Originally Posted by seamy82

I am only reporting my experiences as of late. Links from Web 2.0s harm your Google listing. Despite the content being unique, great quality and niche related. This is a new domain with no previous bad habits exacted on it.

The web2.0s contain pictures and some contain video links to youtube. What kind of backlinks can I get for my website? I have some guest blogging links, web 2.0s and blog comments on other site but they've had little or no affect.

The keywords I am targetting are local and non-competative but Google seems to hate what I am doing post penguin. I should be able to dominate for these search terms without any issues but I am coming up short. Any ideas on a strategy?

Article links are dead also. It seems that everything a part from link from high pr pages is dead. PR0s no matter how many of them you get, hurt your ranking not improve it. What is the future?

That's the first time i've heard that links from web 2.0 can harm your ranking. How many web 2.0's did you create and did you vary your anchor text when linking to your site?

Originally Posted by seamy82

Crew Chief that's what I want to find out. What does work today? Nothing seems to work anymore, except for high pr blog networks but if you have not already established one, you'll find it impossible to build one now.

If you buy domains which already have a high pr, why would it be impossible to build one now?

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Inttellect

13 years ago

You went in the wrong way. Backlinks will hurt your domain ranking. Not as you said.

Backlinks should be authority. If not you will end up in dropping in rankings.

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MikeFriedman

13 years ago

Maybe you do not pay a whole lot of attention to SERPs. If you did, you would know see that there is a lot of fluctuation in rankings on page 3 and beyond in most SERPs.

Your one single backlink did not harm your site. Being that it is a brand new site, it was probably just ranked higher than it deserved to be and has now found a more suitable position.

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seamy82 13 years ago

So a backlink has to be authority or else there is no point using it? Regardless of the relevance of the content? This is crazy but it does seem to be true. So a backlink from a profile, an article, a blog comment and a web2.0 is affectively useless. Acutally worse than useless it will harm your ranking. Even if you build the web2.0 and the build authority to it before adding the link will not work. As you won't be able to build authority as you will only be able to link PR0 pages to this site. Backlinking is dead and has been replaced by nothing it seems. On-page appears to be the be all and end all of everything. If you want to damage you listing then build backlinks to your site.
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saini1987

13 years ago

Yes same for me, my site have over 400 backlinks and its page rank goes down from PR2 to PR1....

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seamy82

13 years ago

All I use is white hat. I write something niche related of high quality and link it to my site. I do not see how backlinking works anymore. Is anyone seeing any results anymore from building web2.0s, article backlinks, profile backlinks and blog comment links? These have historical been the bread and butter of backlinks but thats all gone. Where are all the so-called experts to shed some light on this. Google has won and no one knows how to game them anymore.

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seamy82

13 years ago

I am not new to this game. I created a new website on a new domain, as I could see my actions where affecting my SERPs negatively. I am not fet up with this one effort. I am fed up that all my efforts over the last two months (which is a lot of man hours) has been furitless. This is despite everything being of the utmost quality. I personally don't think that conventional backlinking works anymore, as this has been my experience. I hope I am wrong but perhaps I am not.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by seamy82

I am not new to this game. I created a new website on a new domain, as I could see my actions where affecting my SERPs negatively. I am not fet up with this one effort. I am fed up that all my efforts over the last two months (which is a lot of man hours) has been furitless. This is despite everything being of the utmost quality. I personally don't think that conventional backlinking works anymore, as this has been my experience. I hope I am wrong but perhaps I am not.

You're going to get resistance for your opinion from this forum. Don't forget these guys earn their money selling SEO services and links.

BTW, I think you're right enough. Many of the old tactics that used to work don't anymore. I've been experimenting for several months now and really feel backlinking is losing its effectiveness.

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Crew Chief

13 years ago

I hate to be the bearer of bad news but contrary to popular misguided belief, quality is not the standard for winning in SEO. If that were the case, Google would not have slammed their once darling, Tim Carter of "Ask The Builder."

If you didn't know, Tim WAS ONCE one of the Adsense spotlight darlings. As a matter of fact, Google used his website, "Ask The Builder" as one of their success stories to attract new Adsense Publishers.

Where is he now? Scratching his head just like you are; no pun intended! Why is he scratching his head? Because his site dramatically dropped in the SERPs even though he did EVERYTHING according to the Google Bible.

Of course, that is just one example. If you want more, go to the Webmaster forum and see the complaints: Google Groups

What you need to do is take a step back and actually learn SEO as it pertains to NOW! You cannot go by the SEO rules that governed the SERPs last year or six years ago. You need to learn SEO for TODAY!

Hope that helps.

Originally Posted by seamy82

I am not new to this game. I created a new website on a new domain, as I could see my actions where affecting my SERPs negatively. I am not fet up with this one effort. I am fed up that all my efforts over the last two months (which is a lot of man hours) has been furitless. This is despite everything being of the utmost quality. I personally don't think that conventional backlinking works anymore, as this has been my experience. I hope I am wrong but perhaps I am not.

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Dead Body

13 years ago

do at least 40 bookmarking of that blog you will get good position.. don't be panic seo is not so easy..

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seamy82

13 years ago

That's an excellent point mosthost. It's probably impossible to get an open and fair discussion on this subject, as many people on here have an alterioir motive. Is anyone getting results from convetional backlinking anymore? Existing blog networks are probabaly the only backlinks that work, indicated by the resources Google has exhausted to de-index them. But you can forget about starting your own from scratch, as how would would you build any pr to the new blogs, as convetional backlinking doesn't work. Again is anyone actually seeing results?

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bboyspyder

13 years ago

Backlinks are still valuable.

The new site that you are describing will always dance a lot at the beginning.

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seamy82

13 years ago

So are you guys seeing results? If so what are you doing that I am not?

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Mantasmo 13 years ago

Originally Posted by seamy82

what are you doing that I am not?

Working.

What exactly have you tried so far?
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MikeFriedman

13 years ago

Sorry, but creating a single PR 0 backlink is not going to have any real impact on your rankings, good or bad.

Get some high quality, high PR backlinks to your site. Then if it doesn't move, come back and complain that backlinks do not work.

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seamy82

13 years ago

This is what I have tried. Tier 1 is a mismatch of qulaity content web2.0s, guest blog posts, article backlinks and relevant blog comments. Tier 2 more manual web2.0s with old BMR posts, some fiverr gigs for article spinning and link wheels and other blog comments. Tier 3 nothing. Diversity and relavency is there, so what am I missing?

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seamy82

13 years ago

That's my point. PR0s do not work no matter how many you get. This is what I mean by conventional backlinks i.e backlinks everyone can get. It used to be if you had enough PR0 backlinks with good quality relevant content you would see improvements in your rankings but what I see is a negative effect. I love the way people on here say just get good quality high pr backlinks like it is the easiest thing in the world. If you want those kinds of backlinks you have to pay for them. If you had to get a high quality pr backlink right now what would you do? E-mail webmasters? Oh yeah right a really good article and people will naturally link to it. lol Nope you'd pay for it. There is so much fantasy discussed on here it is insane.

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MikeFriedman

13 years ago

Originally Posted by seamy82

That's my point. PR0s do not work no matter how many you get. This is what I mean by conventional backlinks i.e backlinks everyone can get. It used to be if you had enough PR0 backlinks with good quality relevant content you would see improvements in your rankings but what I see is a negative effect. I love the way people on here say just get good quality high pr backlinks like it is the easiest thing in the world. If you want those kinds of backlinks you have to pay for them. If you had to get a high quality pr backlink right now what would you do? E-mail webmasters? Oh yeah right a really good article and people will naturally link to it. lol Nope you'd pay for it. There is so much fantasy discussed on here it is insane.

First of all, in any really competitive niche, PR0's have never really worked all that well. Penguin or not, in those niches, you always had to get high PR backlinks to rank.

As far as emailing webmasters for links, have you actually tried it? In a lot of niches, you might be surprised just how well it works. Are you going to get a positive response, or any response at all for that matter, from all the webmasters? Of course not. 50%? Probably not. It's a numbers game though. Many are willing to post an article with a link back. They get free content, you get a link.

The old create good content and people will naturally link to it... Well that is BS. I read a lot of good content on the internet. Tons. However, I rarely go out of my way to link to it anywhere. It can work, but for the most part you have to get really lucky with that. When it does work though, your SEO practically goes on autopilot.

And you are right, for a lot of high quality links, you are probably going to have to spend some money. That's business. Alternatively, you build your own PR on sites like Web 2.0's or domains you buy over time and use those for links. That takes some time and patience though.

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seamy82

13 years ago

Crew Chief that's what I want to find out. What does work today? Nothing seems to work anymore, except for high pr blog networks but if you have not already established one, you'll find it impossible to build one now.

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MikeFriedman 13 years ago

Originally Posted by seamy82

except for high pr blog networks but if you have not already established one, you'll find it impossible to build one now.

Care to explain why you think that? No reason you cannot build one if you want to.
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StanTman

13 years ago

Indeed Seo is harder and harder. Still I haven't heard any web 2.0 being penalized by Google yet but it might happen in the near future.

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aaron86

13 years ago

Maybe you have a very less competition online. I am not sure but websites without back links will not rank in search engine higher.

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seamy82

13 years ago

Building your own blog network can only be done by buying established blogs, as was rightly pointed out above. You will not be able to build one from scratch as those blogs will all have pr0 links pointed at them. They might have a lot of them but all PR0 none the less, as anything any higher than pr0 might as well point at your money site. Buying links is the only way forward and as such the price for those will go up. Google views web2.0s, article links and blog comments as the serp gaming 'no value to the Internet' junk that they are. Lets face up to the reality we find ourselves in.

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cooler1

13 years ago

Originally Posted by seamy82

Google views web2.0s, article links and blog comments as the serp gaming 'no value to the Internet' junk that they are. Lets face up to the reality we find ourselves in.

If that's the case, how do you explain this - http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...2-0-works.html

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seamy82

13 years ago

Another thing, if you peel back the backlinking tiers of any website don't they all feed back to PR0 links. That means if you go down far enough all websites are built on nothing. So if backlinks still work, then there must be some value to PR0 links or maybe we are getting too hung up on PR in the first place. I don't know, getting bored with this now.

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Abdul Jabbar

13 years ago

Without Backlinking your site is useless but i would like to recommend you for Relevant link building and you will really see the results quickly ...............

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MikeFriedman

13 years ago

Originally Posted by seamy82

Crew Chief that's what I want to find out. What does work today? Nothing seems to work anymore, except for high pr blog networks but if you have not already established one, you'll find it impossible to build one now.

Originally Posted by seamy82

Building your own blog network can only be done by buying established blogs, as was rightly pointed out above. You will not be able to build one from scratch as those blogs will all have pr0 links pointed at them. They might have a lot of them but all PR0 none the less, as anything any higher than pr0 might as well point at your money site. Buying links is the only way forward and as such the price for those will go up. Google views web2.0s, article links and blog comments as the serp gaming 'no value to the Internet' junk that they are. Lets face up to the reality we find ourselves in.

I'm not following. Yes you have to buy domains with PR. But that doesn't mean it is impossible to build one. You can also buy new domains or build out Web 2.0 sites and throw backlinks at them. It is a slower process, but eventually they will have PR.

And there are plenty of Web 2.0 sites that are doing just fine and have built a solid PR. VisualLoop is very popular one on Tumblr. It has a PR of 5.

Originally Posted by seamy82

Another thing, if you peel back the backlinking tiers of any website don't they all feed back to PR0 links. That means if you go down far enough all websites are built on nothing. So if backlinks still work, then there must be some value to PR0 links or maybe we are getting too hung up on PR in the first place. I don't know, getting bored with this now.

Actually, you could go the opposite way. As you peel back the backlinking of sites and go farther and farther, don't they all eventually lead to a PR 10 somewhere?

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dmtaylor247

13 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

Actually, you could go the opposite way. As you peel back the backlinking of sites and go farther and farther, don't they all eventually lead to a PR 10 somewhere?

Yeah Larry Page's G+ profile - the source of all pagerank.

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Mav91890

13 years ago

Are you lacking a good chunk of quality content? A few articles is not sufficient. No matter what anyone else says... Content is King.

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IsaacWendt 13 years ago

I have found allot of new site rank extremely well in the first month, I have read allot of people calling this the honeymoon affect. I would think that this is a normal trend and I don't think it was from the blog link, it was going to happen anyway.
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seamy82

13 years ago

Ranking returned after one day. So it looked like it is dancing a bit. I hope I am wrong about conventional backlinking being dead, as I've said this is just my experience as of late no matter what I try. I only use the best gigs from fiverr for tier 2. The gigs that only offer a handful of links, so they're not bad for a 2nd tier in a non-competitive niche. Google has kicked my ass lately and I need to find a new approach. Buying high pr links is the only way forward and just mix that in with the crap you've built yourself.

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