Investing $2,000 a Month in SEO Services

12 years ago

Without knowing the kind of keywords you are trying to rank... flip a coin to get your answer. Ranking for "apps" is a completely different answer then ranking for "apps with shiny red interfaces and look neat"

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MikeFriedman

12 years ago

Clearly, you need to get away from the providers you have been using.

Higher quality work is going to cost more.

Without seeing your website or the keywords and market you are targeting, I have no way of telling you if the prices they are quoting sound about right, are too high, or are too low.

But yes, there are many companies charging that much and more for SEO work. Yes it often takes a few months to see results. If you have been using really low quality link providers in the past, it may take even longer than a few months to recover from the damage they have done.

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John Ac

12 years ago

Originally Posted by csa_dummy

I have worked with at least 5 different SEO developers already in the past, pre-panda/pre-penguin. Most of them used massive link building techniques, which were still effective in the past until the Panda and Penguin came out.

Now, the rules of SEO have changed already, and many of those companies that offer the old techniques are out-dated already. SEO is a whole different language today, and the SEO developer I work with should adapt to the new strategy.

All my past SEO developers have either been based in India or the Philippines, getting way cheaper labor. But right now, with the new rules, I have to find an SEO company that is more reputable, since quality is more important than quantity.

I inquired on a few U.S. Based SEO companies, such as Webimax, SEOP, etc, and their rates start anywhere from $1,500-$2,000 a month, but they suggest their more expensive package at $2,500 a month. This is at least 4-5 times what I used to pay for SEO.

Investing this type of money would be a huge gamble on my part, since these SEO companies do not offer any type of assurance with rankings. It may work on improving our rankings, or it could not move at all. Either way, I have to pay the monthly fee. And they mention that I have to give it at least 4 months to see reasonable results, after I have paid at least $6,000 to $10,000 already in SEO services.

My question is, would it be worth the risk going with a more reputable U.S. Based SEO company, paying 4-5 times more than India and Philippine SEO?

Well.. First of all I would ask you how you get to this conclusion that those strategy does not work any more? Didi you make some test or is just the overall opinion?

For me they still working well ( I DO MY OWN SEO WORK WITH MY OWN SEO TOOLS), You are right they suffered some changes and tune but they still work like a charm and with the appropriate modification they will still work.

Now about those company... Is normal that they do not give any guarantee, no trusted seo or seo company will give any guarantee since that is impossible.

Now it all depends on your time but I will suggest to invest that money and start doing the SEO work your own... With half of that money you can get some great tools.

Second when you do you do the seo work you can also integrate or prepare for your next plans...

If you do not have the time or you are not willing to do that then you should go for one of those company all trough the prices are a little high. But now this depend what they offer for those money.

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retsek

12 years ago

Originally Posted by John Ac

Well.. First of all I would ask you how you get to this conclusion that those strategy does not work any more? Didi you make some test or is just the overall opinion?

For me they still working well ( I DO MY OWN SEO WORK WITH MY OWN SEO TOOLS), You are right they suffered some changes and tune but they still work like a charm and with the appropriate modification they will still work.

Are you ******* serious ?

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John Ac

12 years ago

Originally Posted by retsek

Are you ******* serious ?

No I'm just kidding...
I just read it somewhere and I consider that was interesting to post it here....

But please be so kind to share to us your test that prove that those strategy does not work any more after the latest updates....

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by John Ac

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But please be so kind to share to us your test that prove that those strategy does not work any more after the latest updates....

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

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Google Sending Notifications Of Unnatural Links Pointing To Your Site

and welcome to the 2000s you will find that SEO has changed drastically since the 90s. I might have a SEO 101 course shortly. please feel free to join

Sorry but I will say pass...

When the first penguin update strike my test website that have only and 100% links build with SB rise 3 pages up to page 2 and now is on page 1.

And if you notice.. In my post I was asking for tests data not google guidelines...

And here is something that will keep me in the 90's but on first page...

I never received those emails... all trough I use SB 24/7.

Do not get me wrong if you do not how to use this method can make you disappear in a second but if you know how to adapt them then they still work.

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Mike Anthony

12 years ago

Originally Posted by John Ac

Do not get me wrong if you do not how to use this method can make you disappear in a second but if you know how to adapt them then they still work.

No one is getting you wrong . They just are ignoring you because as a seller of crappy links what else can you say but that they work (when we all know they don't for anything truly competitive and are not worth the risk for anything that makes bank)

and no dude that wasn't Google's guidelines I linked to. It was a report of unnatural link notices they sent out . You won't convince anyone who has been around for a year or so because there were people who got them along with ranking declines RIGHT HERE IN THIS FORUM.

SO its you that needs to bring tests and evidence not anyone else.

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John Ac

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

No one is getting you wrong . They just are ignoring you because as a seller of crappy links what else can you say but that they work (when we all know they don't for anything truly competitive and are not worth the risk for anything that makes bank)

and no dude that wasn't Google's guidelines I linked to. It was a report of unnatural link notices they sent out . You won't convince anyone who has been around for a year or so because there were people who got them along with ranking declines RIGHT HERE IN THIS FORUM.

SO its you that needs to bring tests and evidence not anyone else.

To please you I will remove the link to the selling thread from my signature just to proof that attracting clients is not my intention.

More than that I do not sell a seo method, I'm offering a service my packages that I sell are as good as the kw that clients send to me.

That been told let's say you are right and I'm wrong... But please answer me this question.

How G can be 100% sure that some links are unnatural?

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by John Ac

How G can be 100% sure that some links are unnatural?

Thats pretty easy - its the kinds of link

Who links to a site they have no financial interest or ownership in a forum signature - unnatural

How many people link to site from bookmarks that don'te have any other signals of being popular - unnatural

How does a site get thousands of links from blog comments but has only one or two from inside articles? If people link to sites naturally in comments its usually because the site is well known and has other kinds of links - unnatural

who else but a marketer has hundreds of links most of which come from a domain that has the word article? unnatrual

Thats just a few. I could go on another 4 or 5 easy to spot kinds of link patterns.

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John Ac

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Thats pretty easy - its the kinds of link

Who links to a site they have no financial interest or ownership in a forum signature - unnatural

How many people link to site from bookmarks that don'te have any other signals of being popular - unnatural

How does a site get thousands of links from blog comments but has only one or two from inside articles? If people link to sites naturally in comments its usually because the site is well known and has other kinds of links - unnatural

who else but a marketer has hundreds of links most of which come from a domain that has the word article? unnatrual

Thats just a few. I could go on another 4 or 5 easy to spot kinds of link patterns.

Ok, so you have around 5000 post that means 5000 links if you put a link in your signature right?

So you can easily blow out a new/fresh website by just putting a link to that website in your signaure and start to ping them?

If the answer is yes please feel free to use my signature website, I'm taking this risk. My website is about proxy the forum is about IM and SEO so no related niche.... this should do the trick.

How many people link to site from bookmarks that don'te have any other signals of being popular - unnatural

But.. this means that if you have a new bookmarking website then you have no chance... right? And you will get visitors only after only you get popularity signals.. right? But how to gain that?

How does a site get thousands of links from blog comments but has only one or two from inside articles? If people link to sites naturally in comments its usually because the site is well known and has other kinds of links

Hmmm so if I have a eCommerce website and start to advertise on the radio and tv and people start to access my website and then post link to it on blogs pointing for products that they find at a good price... this website doesn't have any chance right?

who else but a marketer has hundreds of links most of which come from a domain that has the word article? unnatrual

Doing that is not old technique is old technique used in the wrong way.

So... I don't believe G can afford to blow out so many websites.

They can look for footprints and get rise red flags when they come across but as I said .. I'm not talking about blasting 1 mil ulrs with 1 website and 1 kw... I'm talking about adapt those old technique to leave no footprint and stay under the radar.

I'm talking about using anchor diversity, link diversity... etc

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jovykhan 12 years ago

Originally Posted by retsek

Are you ******* serious ?

Somehow this is true. For non competitive keywords old link building techniques still work.
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12 years ago

Originally Posted by csa_dummy

I have worked with at least 5 different SEO developers already in the past, pre-panda/pre-penguin. Most of them used massive link building techniques, which were still effective in the past until the Panda and Penguin came out.

Now, the rules of SEO have changed already, and many of those companies that offer the old techniques are out-dated already. SEO is a whole different language today, and the SEO developer I work with should adapt to the new strategy.

All my past SEO developers have either been based in India or the Philippines, getting way cheaper labor. But right now, with the new rules, I have to find an SEO company that is more reputable, since quality is more important than quantity.

I inquired on a few U.S. Based SEO companies, such as Webimax, SEOP, etc, and their rates start anywhere from $1,500-$2,000 a month, but they suggest their more expensive package at $2,500 a month. This is at least 4-5 times what I used to pay for SEO.

Investing this type of money would be a huge gamble on my part, since these SEO companies do not offer any type of assurance with rankings. It may work on improving our rankings, or it could not move at all. Either way, I have to pay the monthly fee. And they mention that I have to give it at least 4 months to see reasonable results, after I have paid at least $6,000 to $10,000 already in SEO services.

My question is, would it be worth the risk going with a more reputable U.S. Based SEO company, paying 4-5 times more than India and Philippine SEO?

Crap "SEO" tactics might have died, or are on their death beds, but real SEO is pretty much the same as it was 10 years ago.

REAL SEO doesn't live in a silo by itself. Somebody handing you a set number of links per month isn't real SEO. Hunting down dofollow blogs isn't real SEO. The same with blog comments, article directories, and other useless fake crap.

Your site has to earn its links. Find a SEO company that helps you earn links, rather than build them ...REGARDLESS of whether they're in the US or India.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by csa_dummy

I have worked with at least 5 different SEO developers already in the past, pre-panda/pre-penguin. Most of them used massive link building techniques, which were still effective in the past until the Panda and Penguin came out.

There was one of them that didn't

and got you ranked quite nicely. It didn't end well after you turned down two organic PR 5 links I had arranged for you but I hope there are no hard feelings. Even pre penguin it wasn't the blog comments that got you ranked it was the PR page links so you will do well again if your provider sticks to that.

Just wanted to chip in and say glad you are going the quality route now.

P.S. If its the same site I ranked over a year ago then its WAY too much cash. It was not that hard to rank and the serp was competitive but not ultra competitive.

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yukon

Banned 12 years ago

Sometimes you can cut your outsourced backlinks in half If you build a decent site (depends on comp.) with multiple relevant pages. If you have a 1 page site, well, your stuck with only off-page SEO (links).

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Aussie_Al

12 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

Sometimes you can cut your outsourced backlinks in half If you build a decent site (depends on comp.) with multiple relevant pages. If you have a 1 page site, well, your stuck with only off-page SEO (links).

Yes - in some of my niches you would be surprised how few links some of the top ranking sites have...but they are quality links that are organic

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estz

12 years ago

I don't think you need to be paying $2500 as this is a large chunk however the time scale they are specifying sounds about correct in my opinion if you are wanting to rank for highly competitive searches. Keep on shopping around and maybe try and find a company that has genuine testimonials and all the customers are happy and you can clearly tell when an SEO company is legit and isnt.

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yukon

Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by estz

I don't think you need to be paying $2500 as this is a large chunk however the time scale they are specifying sounds about correct in my opinion if you are wanting to rank for highly competitive searches. Keep on shopping around and maybe try and find a company that has genuine testimonials and all the customers are happy and you can clearly tell when an SEO company is legit and isnt.

How can you know that without knowing the keyword/competition?

$2,500 could be way under a realistic price.

Try ranking a page #1 in Google SERPs for the keyword "car insurance" for $2,500 a month. Just saying, those guys probably make more than $2,500 before lunch (everyday).

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OolongMedia

12 years ago

Originally Posted by csa_dummy

My question is, would it be worth the risk going with a more reputable U.S. Based SEO company, paying 4-5 times more than India and Philippine SEO?

Normally the price starts from $100 and up which depend on the type of work. If you think those companies offer the same service and quality of work then try them if you want. Just remember that you won't get the result that you want in just a month.

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myaple

12 years ago

Originally Posted by csa_dummy

I have worked with at least 5 different SEO developers already in the past, pre-panda/pre-penguin. Most of them used massive link building techniques, which were still effective in the past until the Panda and Penguin came out.

Now, the rules of SEO have changed already, and many of those companies that offer the old techniques are out-dated already. SEO is a whole different language today, and the SEO developer I work with should adapt to the new strategy.

All my past SEO developers have either been based in India or the Philippines, getting way cheaper labor. But right now, with the new rules, I have to find an SEO company that is more reputable, since quality is more important than quantity.

I inquired on a few U.S. Based SEO companies, such as Webimax, SEOP, etc, and their rates start anywhere from $1,500-$2,000 a month, but they suggest their more expensive package at $2,500 a month. This is at least 4-5 times what I used to pay for SEO.

Investing this type of money would be a huge gamble on my part, since these SEO companies do not offer any type of assurance with rankings. It may work on improving our rankings, or it could not move at all. Either way, I have to pay the monthly fee. And they mention that I have to give it at least 4 months to see reasonable results, after I have paid at least $6,000 to $10,000 already in SEO services.

My question is, would it be worth the risk going with a more reputable U.S. Based SEO company, paying 4-5 times more than India and Philippine SEO?

Maybe you can take an intermediate route, you can find a lot of reputable providers around 1000$ per month

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johnpaulgrant

12 years ago

Hi,

Spending $2500 a month for SEO is definitely a big risk on your part. I still suggest that you outsource to countries like the Philippines. A lot of SEO providers may have changed their techniques after the latest panda/penguin update.

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Mike Anthony

12 years ago

Originally Posted by johnpaulgrant

Hi,

Spending $2500 a month for SEO is definitely a big risk on your part. I still suggest that you outsource to countries like the Philippines. A lot of SEO providers may have changed their techniques after the latest panda/penguin update.

For balance - I have seen very few "outsourcer" who know how to get high quality links and NONE that know how to get real organic and natural links. Lets face it "outsourcer" is just another world for "not a real SEO" or "backlinker".

If the oursourcer was truly good at SEO he wouldn't be an outsourcer.

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eaglefliesover

12 years ago

I am a newbie , but for 6 to 10 grand SEO results, I would think it would be more efficient to spend that money on educating yourself on SEO. Then you wouldn't have to lose money to outsourced failure abroad or here in the U. S. Also with those skills learned, should you chose to outsource it in the future, your more informed descision should alleviate that fear of losing control and your money. Money Makes the world go around, the world go aroundddddd LOL But pardon me i am not to level of being able to afford 6 grand on SEO, I suppose it is all relative to your position, but you have made me aware i need to spend more time in developing the entrepreneurial skill of Search Engine Optimization. And for that, Thank you very much .

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bsbear

12 years ago

Paying 2k a month for SEO is insane.. unless you are a world-wide company/e-commerce site.

Someone like me or any qualified SEO professional can do the exact same thing, for a fraction of the price, because you are no longer paying for the brand name of their business.

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MikeFriedman

12 years ago

Originally Posted by bsbear

Paying 2k a month for SEO is insane.. unless you are a world-wide company/e-commerce site.

Someone like me or any qualified SEO professional can do the exact same thing, for a fraction of the price, because you are no longer paying for the brand name of their business.

Seriously? :confused:

The guy who that sells .gov/.edu links is criticizing the prices of other services?

Without ever knowing what the keyword/keywords are or what the competition looks like, $2k might actually not even be nearly enough to charge.

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retsek

12 years ago

Originally Posted by bsbear

Paying 2k a month for SEO is insane.. unless you are a world-wide company/e-commerce site.

Someone like me or any qualified SEO professional can do the exact same thing, for a fraction of the price, because you are no longer paying for the brand name of their business.

Qualified ? Do they hand out certifications now to fire up scrapebox and build Web2.0s that no human wants to read unless water-boarded ?

2k is nothing. You are not doing the "exact same thing" that I know certain 2 - 10k per month SEO companies are doing.

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yukon

Banned 12 years ago

Lol, at people saying $2k is too high & nobody knows the keyword.

Nice estimates folks, remind me never to buy from you (your just guessing).

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EdwardDennis 12 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

Lol, at people saying $2k is too high & nobody knows the keyword.

Nice estimates folks, remind me never to buy from you (your just guessing).

Couldn't agree more. I once was paid $3k a month to work on around 6 to 8 keywords (couldn't remember the exact number), at that point (stupid me) thought, man I'm not going to close this sale. Turns out that the client that I worked with paid MUCH MUCH more than I charged them for much less keywords, and they were like, yap good, let's go.
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retsek

12 years ago

Awww Mike ...why did you stop before reaching Web 2's

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by retsek

Awww Mike ...why did you stop before reaching Web 2's

Didn't stop. they don't qualify no matter what you think - unless you overdo them. What you fail to grasp is that Google is never going to find a link from their very own Blogger.com as automatically unnatural. Wordpress.com hosts some highly respected sites and there are countless (as in most all) Web 2.0 sites independently programmed that allow for post , articles and all manner of legitimate content.

Can you spam those? sure You can spam any site if you get access but they are not automatically unnatural and most importantly they have no universal footprint and allow real content and links within them.

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retsek

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Didn't stop. they don't qualify no matter what you think - unless you overdo them. What you fail to grasp is that Google is never going to find a link from their very own Blogger.com as automatically unnatural. Wordpress.com hosts some highly respected sites and there are countless (as in most all) Web 2.0 sites independently programmed that allow for post , articles and all manner of legitimate content.

Can you spam those? sure You can spam any site if you get access but they are not automatically unnatural and most importantly they have no universal footprint and allow real content and links within them.

For sure, I agree there are legitimate Web 2.0s. Just like there are legit blog comments and legit forum contributions, and legit social bookmarks. I am sure Google knows that as well and are keen to have the ability to tell the difference.

Given that ...Why is a social bookmark created with BookmarkingAngel or a blog comment created with Scrapecrap "automatically unnatural" and easily detectable, while a Web2 created with Magical Blaster doesn't qualify ?

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by retsek

For sure, I agree there are legitimate Web 2.0s. Just like there are legit blog comments and legit forum contributions, and legit social bookmarks. I am sure Google knows that as well and are keen to have the ability to tell the difference.

Given that ...Why is a social bookmark created with BookmarkingAngel or a blog comment created with Scrapecrap "automatically unnatural" and easily detectable, while a Web2 created with Magical Blaster doesn't qualify ?

I've answered this question at least five time to you particular including your series of nonsense posts in my 5,000 post thread where you tried to derail it.

why would a blog comment or bookmark be more detectable than a post on Wordpress.com? Seriously?

You need to ask this again and again?

there is no editorial content around a bookmark, there is no editorial content around a forum signature, articles are fine but as indicated if they all come from domains with "article" on it that hardly seems natural. In addition they all have footprints but Web 2.0s are all independently built, named and coded. I've even pointed out to you that Blogger OWNED BY GOOGLE IS a web 2.0 site.

My kid could understand this. I could ask Aunt Helen who is 93 and she would get it without going from thread to thread asking me the same exact question, I 'll stop the mailman and he will understand. SHoot even Paris Hilton would understand that. Mike Tyson even while he was biting Evander's ear heard it and understood it and you know what -you understand it but just can't admit to having the proof laid out right in front of you publicly of their differences.

Whats not to understand? WHy must you go from thread to thread I mention link building asking the same question to have it answered over and over again?

why?

Because you insist that because I mention Magic submitter to hook up network sites and structure we b 2.0s within a network that it automatically means I have to post garbage to them and it makes Blogger.com an untrusted site to leave a link, that all of a sudden it makes wordpress.com somewhere where only spammers can publish, that Tumblr has no good content. Sheesh you even have dishonestly claimed I support spinning to articles

Silly assumptions but hey go ahead ask me again like I didn't map out very clearly the difference between posting to blogger and dropping a bookmark. :rolleyes:

from now on I will just copy and paste.

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retsek

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

I've answered this question at least five time to you particular including your series of nonsense posts in my 5,000 post thread where you tried to derail it.

why would a blog comment or bookmark be more detectable than a post on Wordpress.com? Seriously?

You need to ask this again and again?

there is no editorial content around a bookmark, there is no editorial content around a forum signature, articles are fine but as indicated if they all come from domains with "article" on it that hardly seems natural. In addition they all have footprints but Web 2.0s are all independently built, named and coded. I've even pointed out to you that Blogger OWNED BY GOOGLE IS a web 2.0 site.

My kid could understand this. I could ask Aunt Helen who is 93 and she would get it without going from thread to thread asking me the same exact question, I 'll stop the mailman and he will understand. SHoot even Paris Hilton would understand that. Mike Tyson even while he was biting Evander's ear heard it and understood it and you know what -you understand it but just can't admit to having the proof laid out right in front of you publicly of their differences.

Whats not to understand? WHy must you go from thread to thread I mention link building asking the same question to have it answered over and over again?

why?

Because you insist that because I mention Magic submitter to hook up network sites and structure we b 2.0s within a network that it automatically means I have to post garbage to them and it makes Blogger.com an untrusted site to leave a link, that all of a sudden it makes wordpress.com somewhere where only spammers can publish, that Tumblr has no good content. Sheesh you even have dishonestly claimed I support spinning to articles

Silly , silly, silly reasoning but hey go ahead ask me again like I didn't map out very clearly the difference between posting to blogger and dropping a bookmark. :rolleyes:

from now on I will just copy and paste.

Nope ...still doesn't pass the sniff test. I think its silly that you equate a web2 blog that was slapped together for no other purpose than passing link juice, with a real blog. But hey ..that's just me.:rolleyes:

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Mike Anthony 12 years ago

Originally Posted by retsek

Nope ...still doesn't pass the sniff test. I think its silly that you equate a web2 blog that was slapped together for no other purpose than passing link juice,

and um who determines your knowledge of whether it was slapped together and why? Your fairy god mother? You are flailingly helplessly now. The question was how a LINK can be determine to be unnatural not the intent of the person placing it. Incidentally I think it silly that you think that a blog on Wordpress.com being a web 2.0 site is less of a blog because it is not hosted on a private server - which would be the logical extension of your argument

LOL If you think that the mighty Google now can determine the intent and purpose of a post despite its content or the quality of it then I have reason to skip your sniff test and ask what you have been sniffing.
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Mike Anthony 12 years ago

Originally Posted by retsek

I am sure Google knows that as well and are keen to have the ability to tell the difference.

Incidentally this is wrong too. Google doesn't give a fig newton to have the ability to determine the difference between a blog comment left legitimately or not. That would involve mind reading. All they care about is eliminating manipulation and if they find a foot print they can eliminate that spammers use they will do it in a hearbeat. None of the unnatural link notice that went out had google employees pouring over the links to find out if any were legitimate. It was enough just to analyze the kind of link themselves.
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12 years ago

Originally Posted by csa_dummy

My question is, would it be worth the risk going with a more reputable U.S. Based SEO company, paying 4-5 times more than India and Philippine SEO?

I guess, it is still a risk for you, as far as you can find more reliable working SEO consultants/companies with 100% professionalism in India or other Asian countries and you can reduce the amount of investment with them, rather than investing $$$$ with US companies.....I would suggest you to post projects on freelancer sites like getacoder.com and etc to hire better seo guys.

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rtc1979

12 years ago

Like others have said here, it depends on your niche. But $2,500 is a lot in my opinion unless you have a massive site or you're in an ultra competitive niche where the lifetime customer value is high. I've been able to see great results for about $1,000 per month which covers quality content creation, press releases, link building and social media signals.

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go4seoindia

12 years ago

Please show your website URL and keywords so i can check and tell you actual situation.

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GodMode52 12 years ago

Originally Posted by go4seoindia

Please show your website URL and keywords so i can check and tell you actual situation.
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radivoj

12 years ago

depend on which service you use...

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anes amrani

12 years ago

I do not like to outsource anything I like to do every thing by my self

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Enzo Ewens

12 years ago

Originally Posted by csa_dummy

I have worked with at least 5 different SEO developers already in the past, pre-panda/pre-penguin. Most of them used massive link building techniques, which were still effective in the past until the Panda and Penguin came out.

Now, the rules of SEO have changed already, and many of those companies that offer the old techniques are out-dated already. SEO is a whole different language today, and the SEO developer I work with should adapt to the new strategy.

All my past SEO developers have either been based in India or the Philippines, getting way cheaper labor. But right now, with the new rules, I have to find an SEO company that is more reputable, since quality is more important than quantity.

I inquired on a few U.S. Based SEO companies, such as Webimax, SEOP, etc, and their rates start anywhere from $1,500-$2,000 a month, but they suggest their more expensive package at $2,500 a month. This is at least 4-5 times what I used to pay for SEO.

Investing this type of money would be a huge gamble on my part, since these SEO companies do not offer any type of assurance with rankings. It may work on improving our rankings, or it could not move at all. Either way, I have to pay the monthly fee. And they mention that I have to give it at least 4 months to see reasonable results, after I have paid at least $6,000 to $10,000 already in SEO services.

My question is, would it be worth the risk going with a more reputable U.S. Based SEO company, paying 4-5 times more than India and Philippine SEO?

Stay away from mass links in just a few days.

Build your own team.

usually the companies that charges 2grand a month also needs to outsource the manual labor to PH and INDIA. you're basically just paying more for the middle man.

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jtuttlechiro

12 years ago

I outsource a filipino seo specialist and gives me the best result ever a quality seo that work at a very reasonable price. I believe his a member in this forum too because he is the one who told me to check this forum and read threads that can help me learn more about SEO. Yes I remember his nick is Dokemion a Filipino SEO specialist and his blog dominates Google's first page on the keyword "Filipino SEO" "Filipino SEO Specialist" "Filipino Search Engine Optimization" "Outsource a Filipino" "Outsource a Filipino SEO" and "Outsource a Filipino SEO Specialist" which some keywords rank #1, #2 on 1st page of Google beside that his other blog dominates the 1st page, 2nd page up to 3rd page of Google.

Try and check him out. He is really good even if he is under-rated by many companies.

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johnben1444

12 years ago

Some one like you that have been using SEO from companies will definitely have a sound idea of what it takes to rank a site in 2012.

First of all, I implore you to learn to do the work yourself if the cost is an issue.

Secondly, if you must outsource, get to know what and what are included in the monthly pack.

I'm very sure if you look around you will be able to find a few good individuals that will do the job for $1000 or less. Company often have a company price, the huge sum of money they charge is so outrageous due to over headcost.

It might also interest you to know that SEO has not really changed that much, a lot of things that works in the past is what is still working but in a slightly different way.

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SEO Haven

12 years ago

$2k can get a lot of SEO done (not monthly).

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Johnperal

12 years ago

2k is what most "big seo companies" would charge..but you´re paying wayyyy to much IMO, dont know what keywords u wanna go for or how your site is..but with 2k u can do A LOT !!
In conclusion..its way too much 2k

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MikeFriedman

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Enzo Ewens

usually the companies that charges 2grand a month also needs to outsource the manual labor to PH and INDIA. you're basically just paying more for the middle man.

That is a pretty big assumption to make.

Originally Posted by Johnperal

2k is what most "big seo companies" would charge..but you´re paying wayyyy to much IMO, dont know what keywords u wanna go for or how your site is..but with 2k u can do A LOT !!
In conclusion..its way too much 2k

You can not possibly say it is too much without knowing the keywords, the market, and the competition. $2k/month might not be enough.

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DizenSounds

12 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

That is a pretty big assumption to make.
You can not possibly say it is too much without knowing the keywords, the market, and the competition. $2k/month might not be enough.

This may be a large assumption but generally is true. I have worked at many SEO companies over the past years and also network with many SEO's then and still till this day.

You'd be shocked to hear about which major companies are charging 10k+ a month and outsourcing all of their work elsewhere. It's actually pretty disgusting as many of these companies aren't even that innovative and relying on old techniques and clients preexisting link equity and pagerank.

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moccc

12 years ago

that's too much

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mosthost

12 years ago

I wouldn't count on "USA SEOs" being reputable and I would really consider spending $24,000 a year on something much better than SEO.

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csa_dummy

12 years ago

Thanks everyone for your opinions on my question. I really appreciate it, and I was able to go through your inputs. I wanted to clarify a few things as well:

It is a somewhat competitive keyword I could say. I could guess on Adwords it may cost about $3 per click to be on the first spot ranking.

I tried to look online for some feedback and ratings of different SEO companies, and there is just none. I wanted to find some actual non-biased customer reviews, similar to something like Yelp or ResellerRatings. I don't think I would trust topseos.com, as there is no community of users or reviewers.

Can't just believe how SEO companies would even charge more per the hour than what doctors with PHDs do.

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tjaysen70

12 years ago

Yeah if they have a killer track record and satisfied clients, then that cost would be worth it, especially if you left the seo to someone else.

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vuedoolor

12 years ago

It doesnt matter how much you spend per month on seo as long as you're getting a good roi in return. If im going to spend $2500/month on seo then i would expect to make minimum of $7500 or more per month. I dont think these seo specialist is going to be looking at your estimated roi though

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jxam69

12 years ago

Originally Posted by vuedoolor

It doesnt matter how much you spend per month on seo as long as you're getting a good roi in return. If im going to spend $2500/month on seo then i would expect to make minimum of $7500 or more per month. I dont think these seo specialist is going to be looking at your estimated roi though

You beat me to it - I was about to make a similar post.

It's all about Return On Investment folks - nothing else (unless it's a non for profit venture).

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yukon

Banned 12 years ago

Funny how folks are still saying $2,000 is too much money for SEO, when the keyword hasn't been posted.

Lets do some basic math, like that will help convince people in this thread.

$2,000 monthly budget.

$2,000 / 30 (days) = $66.67 (daily budget)

$66.67 / 24 (hours per day) = $2.78 (per hour)

Here's my point, as a comparison try running a PPC campaign on Google SERPs with an hourly budget of $2.78 (lol). You'll be lucky to hit the bottom of the right sidebar on the 2nd page of the SERPs with a $2.78 budget for a full hour, well, unless your keyword is "pork chop roller derby seat cover". :rolleyes:

Good luck with your fiverr SEO price guides, lol.

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jlcs

12 years ago

WOW! $2000 per month?? That's really huge amount....
May I know what is your ROI so far?

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Dead Body

12 years ago

SEO Services is not bad it self.. the most important thing while buying seo services is checking quality of backlinks and tracking the rankings...

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MKaren

12 years ago

Originally Posted by csa_dummy

I have worked with at least 5 different SEO developers already in the past, pre-panda/pre-penguin. Most of them used massive link building techniques, which were still effective in the past until the Panda and Penguin came out.

Now, the rules of SEO have changed already, and many of those companies that offer the old techniques are out-dated already. SEO is a whole different language today, and the SEO developer I work with should adapt to the new strategy.

All my past SEO developers have either been based in India or the Philippines, getting way cheaper labor. But right now, with the new rules, I have to find an SEO company that is more reputable, since quality is more important than quantity.

I inquired on a few U.S. Based SEO companies, such as Webimax, SEOP, etc, and their rates start anywhere from $1,500-$2,000 a month, but they suggest their more expensive package at $2,500 a month. This is at least 4-5 times what I used to pay for SEO.

Investing this type of money would be a huge gamble on my part, since these SEO companies do not offer any type of assurance with rankings. It may work on improving our rankings, or it could not move at all. Either way, I have to pay the monthly fee. And they mention that I have to give it at least 4 months to see reasonable results, after I have paid at least $6,000 to $10,000 already in SEO services.

My question is, would it be worth the risk going with a more reputable U.S. Based SEO company, paying 4-5 times more than India and Philippine SEO?

Some SEO company focus on linkbuilding inwhich 1 of the strategy to generate traffic. and that SEO is not all about link building.

Why dont you try hiring quality writers for your business and making sure that the article is helpful to your visitor,if you dont have a blog section try investing to it,its worthy,

Hiring company could have a downfall but its another thing for you to be updated with the latest strategy to be able to know what SEO company to invest into...

Just an Insight.

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nik0 Banned 12 years ago

If I had spend $2000/month on SEO instead of $4000/month on PPC, price comparison sites and what not then my company from many years ago would probably be still alive as it would've pressured the costs hugely.

Oh well, we all learn from our mistakes.
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Jimerson Farveez

12 years ago

Well, I would strongly say NO for such huge investment on SEO before you see your profits...!!!

I really wonder that you could not find a SEO company out of USA. There are lots and lots of well reputed SEO companies with excellent SEO skills and experiences around the world. You can find them using simple Google searches or Using any Freelancer sites like Freelancer.com or Elance.com or etc.

Anyway, I really really agree with you that there are spammers too. But during the selection process, you can filter them and find the BEST for you at very affordable prices. I would suggest you to expand your selection process like hiring an employee for you or hiring a contractor for your project. Take 5-10 (or any number) of SEO companies/experts/consultants - ask questions from different view point of SEO like their skills, experiences, previously worked projects, how they dealt with panda/penguin, references of their previous clients, and etc. Based on their answer you can go for the best one.

Before I learn SEO, I usually outsource it to some Asian countries. I usually expand my selection process and apply lots of filters to find the best one. That worked well for me. Anyhow, now, I learned SEO by myself and doing it myself

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mrshark4

12 years ago

The only thing i would say is stay away from the seo websites that offers you a package. the best seo companys dont put there prices on there website. Infact most of them will get you to fill out a form of what seo you want done to your site and then they will ask for a meeting to talk indepth of what your goals are and your budget. If it looks to good to be true then it prob is.

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lovboa

Banned 12 years ago

Obviously most people here will think $2000 is too money to spend for an SEO service.

The majority of offers most members here are exposed to are priced at $97 or less.

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ikhwanudin

12 years ago

$2000 is a lot of money and I hope you will get what you pay for.

It is all about quality at the end of the day, if you are getting good results I say go ahead.

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