Backlinking software is CRAP and so are the links they produce.

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I'm amazed to see marketers still talking about Senukex, GSA and Magic Submitter, and even Article Marketing Robot, just to name a few. The software mention above, or any push button link building system will get you nowhere. I used some of the above mention software in a case study a while back, for extremely easy keywords, the sites never made it to page 1. They ended up making money on long tail phrase and that about it.


I understand most members are new and may have missed the big unnatural links epidemic but take my word for it, please avoid software, web 2.0s, social bookmarks, forum links, fiverr gigs offering SEO etc.


Also smarten up, most of the threads started on the forum can be answered with a simple Google search. Another thing, even easy keywords are a little harder to rank now, especially since you can't use the above mentioned tactics, so just because your keyword software may so go for it, be prepare to spend a little time trying to rank, unless your an SEO expert, or you have your own blog network.


Edit: Do what you want, I've been called a bitch for simply trying to warn noobs of the dangers involved when using backlinking software or for saying use Google search before you clutter up the forum with useless threads that's already been answered.


Make your own choice, but be sure it's the right one, because when those new algo changes roll out you don't want to be one of the ones hit with a penalty. Deuces.
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    Maybe someone can convince CTRTheme to use Google search. D@mn they post a lot of nonsense.
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    • Something fishy about that Ctrtheme, their just trying to get post count up. And the the thread they started about the software lifetime fee is just unbelievable, I mean are those affiliate links in the OP, otherwise I don't see the point of the thread.


      I thought things were bad 6 months ago, now, the forum has gone to sh%t.
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  • Two types of good backlinks.
    1. The ones that involve you and another website owner. (assuming it's a good fit)
    2. Natural

    All automated methods are or will be crap due to the search engines wising up. Now a bunch of those folks are running for the disavow button. It's hilarious.
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  • I agree if you dont like or can not write about your niche and/or product dont pick that niche. The best thing you can do is pick a niche you can talk about and enjoy commenting on all day for FREE. I dont care if it is basket weaving somebody wants to hear your tips, tricks, and ideas.
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    • In general, the easier/cheaper to create the link, the sh1tter it is.

      seo software = snake oil salesman
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  • No offense but
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    • No offense taken, the link in my sig is not for ranking/SEO purposes.
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  • If you use a link building tool to spam hundreds or thousands of sites. Then yeah, you're probably wasting your time and hurting your site.

    But if you use a link building tool to post content on quality sites, but in a more efficient manner than manually submitting them, then the tool is quite valuable.

    Saying that link building tools are crap is akin to saying SEO is dead, PPC is awesome, Adsense sucks, etc. It's easy to make an argument both for and against any of these. Absent context these types of absolutes are not very valuable.
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    • I fully agree - everyone's situ is different. But I do see folks who don't understand your approach that will just spam the hell out of their sites using similar tools. I used to use SeNuke about 3 - 4 years ago. It worked well then. Google has changed and your point about using it properly is spot on - don't create junk and spam it. Create value and strategically place it using these tools - it does save time and does work.

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  • It's like with most things in life...a fool and his money are soon parted.
  • you know... most software you can "TUNE" it to perform great things.

    i drive a old 2002 honda civic or 2012 suburu imprezza split between me and the wife. both are kept stock, my car friends lust everyday at the "things they can do" to my civic, i don't care, it runs from a to b, and the battery only died 1 year ago, and had 1 fender bender. and i'm a super car noob, beyond filling it up and checking oil.

    However, Gsa, can almost be tuned to perfection, you just don't (can't) know it.
    1. start off with great tier 1 articles, completely human readable
    2. start off with private proxies only
    3. start off with proper property selection
    4. then filter, obvious stuff no bad word sites (you know these bad words)
    5. choose a comfortable obl
    6. choose a pr (extra time)
    7. choose captcha sniper/breaker
    8. for the fall back choose paid service if pr > (your number)

    wow

    like wow, gsa just became one of the best ways to get low obl, low to medium pr, non malicious and non illegal site backlinks.

    100 crappy odesk noobs wouldn't be able to get these links with these filters in a week.

    again don't blame the software/tool, blame the inadequate user.

    heck my friends yell at me for bringing my cars to get oil changed instead of doing it myself, i don't want to strip no screw, i completely admit how inadequate i am with cars, other's should admit how they just can't use software/tools in any degree of usefulness.
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    • I don't have use for software period, doesn't matter how it can be used. I believe in doing business another way and in doing so I don't have to worry about Google algo changes/penalties.

      I do however agree that most don't know how to use software, and for that very reason they don't need to have it, it's like a 3 yr old playing with a gun. In the end noobs will only hurt their sites because all they going to do is create a bunch of link wheels using spun gibberish.


      In 3 yrs of marketing I only got into trouble once with G and that was for using crap links, that happened a yr ago, since than I haven't had anymore problems. No software, no crap links, no problem.
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  • Well, no, it's more a case of you shouldn't try to save the world. Just leave folks be. I personally have and continue to use Magic, and it's gotten me quality backlinks (I use my own list and writings) and my sites stick. It's all in how you use the stuff. Anyone that tries without first having the knowledge is doomed to fail.
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    I'm almost amazed about the love for GSA, like it can create high PR links at all kind of platforms while that is total bogus, it can only create high PR links through blog comments and guest posts like Mike already mentioned. Heck why we need GSA for that when there is Scrapebox that does a much faster job on that. And besides that, finding high PR / unspammed / dofollow pages has even with Scrapebox become almost impossible as that combination is way to unique with all the spammers on the web.

    If I would a tool like GSA I would let the high PR thing pass completely and just focus on the diversity that it has to offer, like; Video / PDF-doc sharing / Image links and perhaps some other stuff that I missed now. But even then, it all depends on the input so any contextual link that it produces would be based on spun content and not sure about you but I wouldn't want that in my tier 1 links. So yeah I don't see how it's any better then Magic Submitter, SenukeX or Ultimate Demon, the only difference is that it supports a few more platforms.
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    • I can't blame people. I might have even added to the enthusiasm for it. I really thought it did what it claimed to at first. Then I realized most people were not really checking what it was doing and I did and found out the filters were not even working properly . BY the time I put it down for a while and went back to the sites I had used it on I realized how awful guestbook links are in terms of getting crawled and then how they got slammed by everyone using whatever tools because they all go by the guestbook footprints which you can even run in SB to find.
  • Nest sounds like a whiny little bitch to me. Maybe it is all the beers I had tonight. Maybe. Or Maybe it is every time he posts it is to complain about this forum. So I say STFU. Whine or win, but please quit your constant bitching.
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    • Whoa!! A clear reminder to all .....Do not drink and post without a designated typist. Totally uncalled for Mike
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    • The liquor was just an excuse for you to finally come out and say how you really felt. Every time I say something you always had the opposite to say, I say up, you say down, I say left you say right, to me that's a bitch, you nag about what ever I say, I've never said anything to you or about you except to recommend you as a SEO provider.


      This aint nothing to me, I pretty much stayed a way from this waste of space for a while because of people like you, this is not the place for professionals to gather and discuss ideals,tactics, and methods. This is the place where arguments, name calling and general put downs thrive.


      As Mike A. stated, I said" Backlinking software is CRAP and so are the links they produce" WTF DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH THE FORUM? Than you got the background haters that want to like your comment. Yet there are others here spamming the forum to death, yet no one says a damn word to them.

      Ahhh, once again I have to spend more time defending myself or what I said rather than having great a discussion about our profession, and I'm the bitch lol. That's funny considering all people do here is bitch and whine about me because I said something they didn't like.


      Backlinking software is not dangerous it's crap like I said, especially in the hands of a noob who's just going to use it to make link wheels. This is why I rarely post.


      I leave you to you regularly scheduled programming:

      What are meta tags?
      why doesn't my 2 week old site rank for competitive terms
      Hey I rank a site on page 4 with no content lol
      Hey does anybody know is Magic Submitter has a life time license, no really do you know
      What's you fav wordpress plugin

      You know really informative threads like that, check my old threads, aint no bitch, no whining, the messages I get in my inbox telling me not to worry about a-holes like yourself and to keep doing what I'm doing is a testament to that.

      http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...-keywords.html
      Close to 30 thousand views and 73 thanks.

      http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...-part-2-a.html
      Close to 18 thousand views and 22 thanks.

      http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...ping-fast.html

      I lost my entire online income in this thread, never bitch or whine. I said it was my fault for using spammy links.

      http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...e-penalty.html
      After I learned my lesson I wondered why didn't anyone learn theirs.

      http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...-tell-you.html
      Keyword software aint the end all be all to finding niches

      http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...him-fight.html

      Just had a lot of fun in this one.

      http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...mentality.html

      Heres one that talks about the importance of building a website for visitors because Google is taking traffic away from sites by eliminating the need to visit in them first place.

      There are pleny more threads in my portfolio, that do nothing but discuss IM, not people. Judge me on that and nothing else. Out of all the so called senior members here I was the only one making threads, at least I tried to steer the forum in the direction of actually talking about meaningful IM related issues, not WHAT IS A BACKLINK.
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  • Mike A, now you see what I'm talking about, make money here, HA, wouldn't be caught dead here, this is my last post. Let them say what they want because I don't like their precious, precious software.

  • Let's go one step further....

    Backlinking software is CRAP and so are the links they produce....and so are the PEOPLE who use them....
  • well you cant blame those people who want instafame on search engines that's why they avail on that products
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    • Yes I can and do blame them. It is their choice to cheat the honest folk with their shady backlinking methods....

      Why should these rogues rank just because they bought the 'Magic Submitter?'

      Someday - around the year 2024 I think - Google is going to figure this all out and do something bad to these people.
  • Mike Anthony check your private message bro.
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    • Sorry GGP, It was under another message from some poor soul so embarassed about being wrong about buying domains he is now resorting to making up additional false facts in his head (about me and even my family) and trying to pass them off to me by PM as real. :rolleyes:

      Anyway I answered
  • Can't be...!!

    If you use those things in a natural way, of course Google credits you well. Of course NO MORE automation and QUICK links within short period. Spread the links for months, vary keywords, contribute to the sites from where you are gaining links, of course, absolutely, you are not in danger zone in terms of Google.
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    • Pretty much exactly what Nest was talking about. See? people still believe this and its in part because of the tool makers selling it that way. Thats undeniable.
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    • Crap built slowly is still crap. Rate of link acquirement matters not, IF they are good links.

      Site A has a post go viral. Gets 50 thousand links in one day? Does google penalize it? No.

      Site B buys or builds 50 thousand links in one day. Does google penalize it? Yes.

      Think about why.
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  • These programs still have their place and can be VERY useful. But I see what kind of thread this is, so I'll leave now. --->

    edit: poor nest lol
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    • Plz, I been called much by worse, going take more than a insult from some guy behind a computer screen to get to me. I'm not pissed at any one person, it's just the fact that when somebody posts spam it's fine, when somebody asks who's the best SEO provider and a bunch of SEO providers respond it's fine, I been making these kind of threads for a while now, never had link in my sig, nor have I ever sold anything here, yet when I make a thread it's self promotion.


      The real problem is people thinking web 2.0s and social bookmarks are legit links. Google knows that the only websites online who's link profile consist of web 2.0, forum links, social bookmarks, and blog comments are from internet marketers. So why the hell wouldn't Google target these links.


      WHY THE HELL WOULD YOU BUILD N/A AND PR 0 LINKS THAT NEED MORE CRAP LINKS JUST TO BOOST THIER SO CALLED LINK JUICE. I bought couple high pr links from Niko, turn a new site into a pr 3, before that I used MS, nothing happen.


      I rather promote my content to get good natural links, or buy high pr links than to use backlinking software. I aint tryin hear , oh but there's a right way to use it. The general public will use it to spam the net, point blank.

      I can't believe it's 2013 and yall still making threads talking about here's a socail bookmarking list, or hey everybody I got a new article directory list, are you serious?


      As for the haters out there, I can careless about them, all those people, who choose not to comment can make there own decision. One thing that was brought to my attention is that 99% of people that view a thread don't post, so not going to let the few a-holes that do bother me.


      Edit: Yea I said I wasn't going to post no more, so what.
  • As i manage 1000's of websites with my link building company i always laugh when i read drivels like that.

    Automatic link building works perfectly when done correctly, in the right combinations.

    In a perfect world only my clients would use automatic link building and get the cash while purists like op will strive to EARN natural (lol) backlinks.
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    • So what do you call more than a hundred thousand unnatural link notices that were given out last yr, and many more after that? Why is the Google disavow tool so popular amongst internet marketers?



      How come real sites, with high pr don't have web 2.0, social bookmarks, blog comments, forum links etc in their link profile. Inquiring minds want to know.

      Edit: Never mind, I check the link in your sig, don't want/need advice from somebody selling directory links, from a .biz no less. After further analysis I see you also sell article links and social bookmarks, I guess you have some ultra special social bookmarks though huh.
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    • I hope you're not blasting those directory submisions at your clients sites lol. Tell me they're at least relevant niche specific ones.

      @Nest: Hang in there brotha, i know how frustrating it is to get caught up in pissing contests around here. Especially with these "Mikes" lol.

      Save all that energy for your own content, experiment and see what works for yourself, and best of all: JOIN OTHER (preferably paid) FORUMS. Best of luck.
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  • Always automated backlinks are crap! IF you want quality backlinks, you should do them manually and of course choose the best sites to post a backlink to yours! Like the same niche, with only A FEW OBL, etc.
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    • What a load of crap. I mean that with all due respect. There is no difference between a manually created link and an automated link. OF COURSE you can overdue automation but the links themselves are indistinguishable whether it was placed manually or via software.
  • Getting back on subject.

    Nest I think you are wrong on Web 2.0s. Sometimes you need a little diversity and you are forgetting that blogger and wordpress.com have real sites made by real people. I'll still use a web 2.0 submitter. I aint going to lie. It has use. Now the blanket stuff with hundreds of forum profiles, social bookmarks or yeah even hundreds of Web 2.0s yeah - its crap and people will hang on to the dear end because they either don't know how or can 't be bothered to do better.

    I'll probably drop some money on Licorne soon and Scrapebox has ALL KINDS of SEO use without blog commenting but outside of that theres nothing that isn't crappy and the only reason I would buy licorne is cause its cheap now and though I could record the same sites with ZP or winautomation (general automation software not specific to SEO) it willprobably take me too much time in first recording and then making changes as the sites change. Licorne can do some recording to so thats a plus.

    I can't handle a network without some automation. Thats not necessarily SEO tools like you were talking about but its automation thats a must
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    • licorne devs are itchin to get out of beta, they have a soft date of this month, when they get out of beta, the campaigner is one of their targets to hit, also it's kind of hinted, that's when monthly will start. they update once a month, kinda slow, imo

      scrapebox is always updating a few months ago they released their automation premium addon's, ok so it sounds like DLC for video games but so far it has a rank checker that ppl like, also what i like is their newest update, customer harvesters, you can harvest from dogpile and such etc.
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  • I'll say this and put this thread to rest, I'm not against automation when it comes to helping with tasks that would otherwise be difficult to do manually, I even said earlier in the thread that if you are a SEO expert or have your own blog network I can understand the need for software. SEO experts know how to use link software and need it for their own private networks.


    I basically talking about the software's target audience, which are noobs, they don't know what they are doing, they will use the same sites that come with the software, and they been spammed to death.

    Maybe web 2.0s work right now, but as I said before, Google knows we use them, so that's enough to keep me away. I want to stay as far away from commonly used SEO tactics as possible.
  • I use to frequent some bodybuilding forums years ago, and these threads remind me of arguements that people would have over steroids.

    The most intellectual debates would always look something like:

    "Steroids are crap!! They make your penis shrink!"

    "No they're not! They make your balls shrink, not your penis! They actually made my penis bigger (ask you mum for proof)".

    "NO WAY your a loser, just shup dickface!"

    "Yeh well I might be a loser, but at least my penis is bigger than yours, and I banged your mom".


    Not sure why I posted that. I just find conversations about automation software earily similar. In fact, anytime you guys have a conversation about automation software in the future, you should just rip each other for having small penis's.
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    • I think it is safe to say that that is a mystery that many of use will be pondering for years to come - until we are flipping through channels one night and hear

      "Next on Nova....the startling connection between the Male Penis and Search optimization software...One man's strange tale"
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  • Google obviously has some way of determining what links are valuable and what aren't. Google also likely takes the side of caution when counting links, that is, it assumes a link is good until significant evidence shows that it isn't.

    The key is to try to understand what Google sees as a valuable link. If you can imitate a valuable link in an automated way, then automated software can be a powerful tool. These programs should always be used as a scalpel rather than a sledge hammer though.
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    Backlinking software is CRAP and so are the links they produce.

    I'm amazed to see marketers still talking about Senukex, GSA and Magic Submitter, and even Article Marketing Robot, just to name a few. The software mention above, or any push button link building system will get you nowhere. I used some of the above mention software in a case study a while back, for extremely easy keywords, the sites never made it to page 1. They ended up making money on long tail phrase and that about it.