NEWBIE ALERT!! Beware of the multiple product/services Claiming to Know all about penguin 2.0.

Thanks for the insight, so many people will claim to sell products and services that they claim they are experts in, yet they don't even know how they operate. It's good to do proper homework before buying anything. Things that we do in a rush may have serious repercussions.

really? name one thing that being able to use a blasting tool shows that anyone understands about SEO? the principle of lots of link or chaining them together? You can teach that to any drunk totally smashed teen (you and him) at 3 AM in the morning in about five minutes.

Sorry but the spam still works, it isn't going to give long lasting results but that's why its called churn and burn.

Content is for people. Google isn't to the point where it can distinguish between Shakespeare quality and something my second grader could write. It can count words and characters, it may have some simple spell check/grammar algo's built in. But that's about it. It's not picking up spun content as far as I can tell and we all know spun content is garbage. So content helps convert, content can make or break you if you happen to get manually reviewed but quality of content isn't a ranking factor yet. JMO

Actually, http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...live-well.html

Myself and a few others have built sites with no links, just content only to receive long tail traffic, and I do believe given enough content you would see a good amount of organic traffic. And if your content is good someone will link to you.

MIke I have addressed that issue twice. I know that is your issue but my point is that in refuting that the other extreme side is to say content is a small part of SEO. It isn't and its misleading.

Hey boss, just PM'd you. Thanks man.

Sorry SD - pure crap. SEO is about people traffic. Why do your customers want to rank? - to be optimized for search engines or to get customers? Search engine is not something separate from IM as you are trying to sell. Its a traffic generation technique to market to people. IM SEOers often get so wrapped up in the first page ranking stuff they can't see the forest for the trees. SEO IS about getting customers. Its optimizing your site to get PEOPLE using the search engines to visit and become customers. The business customer does not care a fig newton about being number one. Its about the sales that brings in.

In Nest's scenario go ahead and rank number one with content issues that make people reverse. You can argue till the cows come home that ROI is not your business as a SEO. You will still get fired when the customer has no sales increase and Nest at number two will be retained because the SEO is paying for the customer.


For you perhaps but no it IS true for many SEOs. You are thinking like a pure black hatter (not saying you are). Try contacting a site owner and asking him link to your site with no content. Try submitting to a local resource page, directory, or links page that is moderated with no content.

I barely ever talk white hat here because no one wants to hear about it cause it takes work but heres a tip

Try scrapebox for links.php, resources.html link.html in niches. You will be shocked how many there are out there and most of the good ones with PR are moderated. Try asking the webmaster to link to a craptacular site. Dream on. What real guest blogging webmaster wants to link to your crappy content?

You know whats behind all this link versus content stuff as well? The pure garbage belief that no one links to sites anymore. I used to believe that too until I said hey why don't I go and look at a serp and see. Ooops!

Using a bunch of tools you can find exactly who would link to you (despite people claiming crap about no one linking to such and such sites when you look at the serps you can see who does) but it will not matter for crap unless you have a site a webmaster would look at and approve

Having just a few links like that that are organic can balance of a link profile nicely.

Writing is on the wall. Even if you rely on a network you jeopardize both yourself and your client (so it is NOT just about protection of resources) by getting them to rank with crappy content. IF SEO is all about getting to the top and not staying there then fine but you and I both know business clients are pot paying you to get customers for two weeks.