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How do you link from your PBN?

by clean99
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Hey, this is to whoever owns Private Blog Networks. My question is the title of my thread: How do you link from your Private Blog Network?

Where do you insert links - posts, pages, sidebars?

The main page is usually the strongest one so you want your links to stay on the main page but if you continuously update your site do you let your posts with link go to the 2nd and 3rd pages or you make the post with the link sticky and keep it on the top of the first page?

And when you update your PBN do you create pages or posts?

I want to make my PBN look as a normal site, not like a crappy network site. Any other suggestions? Or maybe some book you can suggest to me that explains how to properly build your PBN?

Thanks in advance
#link #network #pbn #private blog network #seo
  • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
    Why would you "continuosuly update your site"?

    Sidebars are worthless.

    When you say posts and pages, I'll assume you are using Wordpress. If you want all the links to show up on the homepage, or at least most of them, you can only do that with posts.
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  • Profile picture of the author clean99
    Okay I guess it's not as important to continuously update PBN then.

    Well initially I would probably start with WP but then I would want to learn how to install and work with other CMS as well so I don't leave any footprints.

    But to keep it all looking more natural should I also put links to my money sites into newly created pages or have them all displayed on the home page?
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
    There is no reason to continuously update most sites, much less a PBN site.

    Just make it look like a real website. Some real websites have tons of content showing on the homepage. Others don't. The links will certainly be more powerful on the homepage, but if the network gets pretty big, you need to mix it up.
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  • Profile picture of the author clean99
    I know there is no magical number but on average how many pages to create to make it look like a good website? 20-30? Or vary it, like one site with 5 pages, the other one with 100 pages....

    And about content....have only original articles posted? So that would be at least $50-500 spent on each PBN site?

    Or is there a better way to do this?
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve Waller
    Ok here's my own opinion from my own experience - each network site should only be used for a handful of money sites and links should ideally come from the homepage the majority of the time (but not always - mix it up a little).

    I don't get people who put 20 - 30 (or more) links per network site - do you really have that many money sites that are worth the effort? Better to focus on a few bigger niches if you ask me but like I said, this is my opinion and everyone has their own approach.
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    ...or stop guessing & actually build a real site. Real sites can be used as a PBN, I've been doing it.
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    • Profile picture of the author clean99
      Originally Posted by Steve Waller View Post

      Ok here's my own opinion from my own experience - each network site should only be used for a handful of money sites and links should ideally come from the homepage the majority of the time (but not always - mix it up a little).

      I don't get people who put 20 - 30 (or more) links per network site - do you really have that many money sites that are worth the effort? Better to focus on a few bigger niches if you ask me but like I said, this is my opinion and everyone has their own approach.
      I don't have that many sites but having 20-30 articles on your PBN site doesn't mean that each article should have a link to your money site, some articles would be without any links at all

      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      ...or stop guessing & actually build a real site. Real sites can be used as a PBN, I've been doing it.
      Good idea, but sounds like a long term strategy. I want to build a PBN to start ranking sooner.
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      • Profile picture of the author yukon
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        Originally Posted by Russerg View Post

        Good idea, but sounds like a long term strategy. I want to build a PBN to start ranking sooner.
        That's the whole point, legit same niche sites last a long time. I plan on ranking pages today, tomorrow, next year...
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  • Profile picture of the author Laubster
    Posts. No more than 3 links to the same site per PBN site, so usually the homepage and 2 inner pages. Contextual anchor text, naked URL and image link. And remember: Google only considers the first link (i.e. if you use an anchor text link and an image to the same URL, they'll only consider the first).
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  • Profile picture of the author LiftMyRank
    Like others have said, get rid of the PBN mindset and focus on creating quality sites designed for users, then promote all your web properties on your niche sites...you want to set them up so that Mr Cutts himself could visit your site and not have a issue with it...
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    • Profile picture of the author KyGunator
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      That's the whole point, legit same niche sites last a long time. I plan on ranking pages today, tomorrow, next year...
      Originally Posted by LiftMyRank View Post

      Like others have said, get rid of the PBN mindset and focus on creating quality sites designed for users, then promote all your web properties on your niche sites...you want to set them up so that Mr Cutts himself could visit your site and not have a issue with it...
      What these guys said.

      Real authority sites with excellent content built for people are the way to go.
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  • Profile picture of the author dennis09
    Dam bandwagon jumpers. Continually updating your blog network sites or making them into "real" sites isn't gonna make your links any stronger. Just a complete waste of time and content.
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    • Profile picture of the author clean99
      Originally Posted by dennis09 View Post

      Dam bandwagon jumpers. Continually updating your blog network sites or making them into "real" sites isn't gonna make your links any stronger. Just a complete waste of content.
      Making them into real sites actually gonna help because if you create a real site then you also get additional traffic.

      And that might not help your links to get stronger but it will lessen chances of Google discovering your network.

      So it's not all about making your links stronger.
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      • Profile picture of the author dennis09
        Originally Posted by Russerg View Post

        Making them into real sites actually gonna help because if you create a real site then you also get additional traffic.

        And that might not help your links to get stronger but it will lessen chances of Google discovering your network.

        So it's not all about making your links stronger.
        So what's a real site? Could a small 10 maybe 15 site not be "real"? And if you really think that more pages will lessen your chances of being discovered then you're deluding yourself. Save your money and just buy more domains. You have fun with that though.
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        • Profile picture of the author clean99
          Originally Posted by yukon View Post

          It's no more work than creating bogus sites.

          I have one same niche site that's less than 20 pages, it's basically a sub-category of another site I own. Just an example. I also have much larger sites.

          I guess I just look at it differently than most folks around here. For me it's all about boosting SEO & traffic from the same work (PBN), all my same niche sites on my network have niche traffic flowing into my money sites. My smaller network sites advertise/promote/support my larger sites.

          Sure it takes time to build out sites, that time invested is no different than building a new category on a money site. I build all my own content.
          This sounds really good Yukon. You gave me some things to think about before setting the whole thing up.

          Originally Posted by dennis09 View Post

          So what's a real site? Could a small 10 maybe 15 site not be "real"? And if you really think that more pages will lessen your chances of being discovered then you're deluding yourself. Save your money and just buy more domains. You have fun with that though.
          Well, I guess what I meant is to look natural overall. Some sites would have 10 pages and some would have 20.

          And how would you get discovered if you have different hosting, different name registrars, private whois, different designs, different website platforms...

          Do it the smart way and you won't get discovered and if you do it like Yukon, then you are not just getting a backlink but also drive additional traffic
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          • Profile picture of the author yukon
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            Originally Posted by Russerg View Post

            This sounds really good Yukon. You gave me some things to think about before setting the whole thing up.
            If you haven't already bought domains for your PBN you could also consider buying out relevant legit sites. Right now might be a good time of the year (holidays $$) to make some offers on similar sites. If the legit site price is close to a PR domain you might come out ahead (existing: content, internal PR pages, niche traffic, etc...).

            Target smaller same/similar niche sites & send out a few emails, If anyone replies do the research on the site/s checking/verifying backlinks, etc...

            You never know what people will sell unless you ask.
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            • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
              Originally Posted by yukon View Post

              If you haven't already bought domains for your PBN you could also consider buying out relevant legit sites. Right now might be a good time of the year (holidays $$) to make some offers on similar sites. If the legit site price is close to a PR domain you might come out ahead (existing: content, internal PR pages, niche traffic, etc...).
              You never know what people will sell unless you ask.

              They used to have a saying for that -

              "If wishes were horses beggars would ride"

              Seriously what are you calling real and legit? Which real legit site is going to sell out for "close to a PR domain" price? Thats what this debate with you and Dennis comes down to - 20 page sites could just as easily be called not a real site by someone else.

              As it is most savvy network owners are upping their game content wise. I know you will swear blind your sites are more real but I may very well look at it and find it as unreal as a three dollar bill
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    • Profile picture of the author yukon
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      If I build a site, it's getting monetized & the entire network will be targeting the same niche.

      I don't understand this SEO forum when it comes to PBNs, then again I'm not targeting 387 niches at the same time from a single PBN.

      Anyways, I'm sure my same niche PBN will out last the guys that throw a bunch of random links/niches on their network. Good luck with all that.
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      • Profile picture of the author dennis09
        Originally Posted by Russerg View Post

        Good idea, but sounds like a long term strategy. I want to build a PBN to start ranking sooner.
        Originally Posted by yukon View Post

        I don't understand this SEO forum when it comes to PBNs, then again I'm not targeting 387 niches at the same time from a single PBN.

        Anyways, I'm sure my same niche PBN will out last the guys that throw a bunch of random links/niches on their network. Good luck with all that.
        Nice attempt at lumping me in with the multiniche network guys, but no, I never said aanything even close to that. The OP already said that he wasn't interested in creating his network the way you suggested, and for good reason. The time and cost of aquiring good domains is already substantial enough, doesn't make much sense for a beginner with no income to go all out that way when he could be focusing his energy on a single site (maybe even 2 or 3) instead of 387. The content cost alone would eat most people. Not saying that your strategy is bad, but it's something a beginner should scale into. The OP would do just as fine making smaller network sites that look just as real until the money starts flowing. For where he's at it's just way too much too soon. I highly doubt you started out that way from the very beginning.

        I remember someone telling me that to make a blog network look real you had to update each site with an article a day and build additional links to it. I still feel sorry for the poor guy because he actually beleives it. Completely unnecessary.
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        • Profile picture of the author yukon
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          Originally Posted by dennis09 View Post

          Cmon yuk, the guy already said that he wasn't interested in creating his network that way, and for good reason. The time and cost of aquiring good domains is already substantial enough, doesn't make much sense for a beginner with no income to go all out that way when he could be focusing his energy on a single site (maybe even 2 or 3) instead of 387. The content cost alone would eat most people. Not saying that your strategy is bad, but it's something a beginner should scale into. The OP would do just as fine making smaller network sites that look just as real until the money starts flowing. For where he's at it's just way too much too soon. I highly doubt you started out that way from the very beginning.
          It's no more work than creating bogus sites.

          I have one same niche site that's less than 20 pages, it's basically a sub-category of another site I own. Just an example. I also have much larger sites.

          I guess I just look at it differently than most folks around here. For me it's all about boosting SEO & traffic from the same work (PBN), all my same niche sites on my network have niche traffic flowing into my money sites. My smaller network sites advertise/promote/support my larger sites.

          Sure it takes time to build out sites, that time invested is no different than building a new category on a money site. I build all my own content.
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          • Profile picture of the author dennis09
            Originally Posted by yukon View Post

            It's no more work than creating bogus sites.

            I have one same niche site that's less than 20 pages, it's basically a sub-category of another site I own. Just an example. I also have much larger sites.

            I guess I just look at it differently than most folks around here. For me it's all about boosting SEO & traffic from the same work (PBN), all my same niche sites on my network have niche traffic flowing into my money sites. My smaller network sites advertise/promote/support my larger sites.

            Sure it takes time to build out sites, that time invested is no different than building a new category on a money site. I build all my own content.
            Youre right its no more work because that's exactly what private network owners are already doing. Nothing different at all. If the main site is in the health niche then only a retard would build a network in home improvement. If the network sites get a decent amount of traffic of course you could monetize those too but then you have to watch for footprints and weigh any network exposure.
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            Originally Posted by yukon View Post

            It's no more work than creating bogus sites.

            I have one same niche site that's less than 20 pages, it's basically a sub-category of another site I own. Just an example. I also have much larger sites.

            I guess I just look at it differently than most folks around here. For me it's all about boosting SEO & traffic from the same work (PBN), all my same niche sites on my network have niche traffic flowing into my money sites. My smaller network sites advertise/promote/support my larger sites.

            Sure it takes time to build out sites, that time invested is no different than building a new category on a money site. I build all my own content.
            But how do you monetize these sites without creating a footprint? Obviously not adsense
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  • Profile picture of the author johnben1444
    Originally Posted by Russerg View Post

    Hey, this is to whoever owns Private Blog Networks. My question is the title of my thread: How do you link from your Private Blog Network?

    Where do you insert links - posts, pages, sidebars?
    Home page or post home page.. I hope you know what i mean..

    The main page is usually the strongest one so you want your links to stay on the main page but if you continuously update your site do you let your posts with link go to the 2nd and 3rd pages or you make the post with the link sticky and keep it on the top of the first page?

    And when you update your PBN do you create pages or posts?
    Why in the hell do you want to update your PBN? It's a one time setup thing. You only update blog network which will eventually roll off your link from the home page...

    I want to make my PBN look as a normal site, not like a crappy network site. Any other suggestions? Or maybe some book you can suggest to me that explains how to properly build your PBN?
    Sure you can...

    What it means is that you will have a network of niche sites and will need more PBN to keep all of them ranking on the SERP cos it's like having 10 sites or web 2.0 in one market/niche and you want to rank all of them..
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  • Profile picture of the author clean99
    I have only few sites that I got from DigitalPoint for $30 a piece. I didn't know any better so I bought those. They are not of very high quality but I guess it was good for practice lol

    Awesome suggestion though, this way I might save up money and headaches because I won't need to get additional content, likely get additional traffic to my main site and there will be less chance of links being removed.

    WIN, WIN, WIN!!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    If you bought domains on DP you might want to double/triple check they're legit PR, do any supporting links actually exist, lol?
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    • Profile picture of the author clean99
      Haha yeah it took me awhile to find these because many sites for sale on DP are fake. I did the whole procedures of checking Whois, Domain Drops, PR, bans, backlinks - from where, when they were acquire, how many etc.

      They actually gave me good boost in easy competition searches, but when I tried them for harder searches they didn't perform very well.

      I will need to figure out other places to buy websites from (besides emailing people of course)... I tried to buy expired domains from Godaddy but that didn't go well for me either haha.
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  • Profile picture of the author GyuMan82
    The only way to use a private blog network is to use contextual links ie link within an article.

    Sure you could try to squeeze out blogroll and footer juice, but that's pretty much a waste. Just stick to links within an article.
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    • Profile picture of the author PathofLeastResistance
      I still see pretty good results with blog roll links; I use links in the middle of an article and blog roll links...call me crazy but it works
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      • Profile picture of the author clean99
        Originally Posted by PathofLeastResistance View Post

        I still see pretty good results with blog roll links; I use links in the middle of an article and blog roll links...call me crazy but it works
        Be careful with that. I think having few blogroll links is okay but you should have more links in the middle of articles.

        I think Google is catching up with blogroll linking strategy (or maybe already have), if your site has too many of them sooner or later Google Zoo will destroy your sites
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  • Profile picture of the author clean99
    I think "real and legit" sites are sites that get traffic. They are not just somewhere on the web and nobody cares about them, they actually rank for some searches in Google and people come and read through articles, click on links. Sites where bounce rate is low because people actually find info on those sites to be useful and read through few articles at a time...

    Something like that lol
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  • Profile picture of the author lbsyd
    Just so I'm clear. The point is to only use 1 to 2 links on each blog in your network to your money site? Why only 1 to 2?

    I've never heard of google only taking into account 1 link on a page if they all goto same url.
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  • Profile picture of the author cloutier
    Hope it's ok to jump in here...

    How do you link the network together? I', looking everywhere for this answer and can't find anything. Are you even supposed to link them together? I just don't get it.
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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      The easiest way to make a site look real is to grab some HTML site from the web instead of using WP, replace the content and add some fake address or from a lot for sale so that you're sure it isn't in use in case you aim to rank it.

      That way all you need is a homepage and perhaps a contact and about page and in most cases it looks 1000 times more real then some WP theme.

      At the very least it saves you a lot of time.
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