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12 years ago

I get this question A LOT but

A) No one has a network around built not already in use.

B) The smart private owners have no desire to rent out links

Its not all that time consuming if you get someone to research purchases for you but you will have to have at least some time if its important to you.

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Steve Waller

12 years ago

I don't see why you'd not build one just because a bunch of other people already have. In fact, why do you think all those people have? Because it works.

So in answer to your question, yes it is worth it.

How much time it takes is up to you. There's a lot your can outsource if you're prepared to pay for it (which it seems you are) so time may not be so much of a killer as you thought.

One tip on outsourcing though is that they will only do as good a job as the instructions they are provided with so if you aren't careful and very specific, you might find your network gets set up incorrectly and its effectiveness is not what you hoped for.

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James-

12 years ago

Not wanting to hi-jack this thread or anything, but as it is on topic i will ask anyway.

Say you have a money site on apples, it makes sense that you want to find some expired domains with good metrics that are related to apples in some way, then re-create the site after you purchase the domain about apples again or something similar, then once done point a link or two at your money site about apples thereby increasing your rank in the serps.

I seem to find buying relevant domains with good metrics extremely rare. If i was to buy a decent domain on carpets for example, recreate that site to be about apples and then point a link to my apple site will this still be effective, or is it something we should avoid doing when building out a private blog network?

Interested to hear your thoughts on this Mike, if you are reading.

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Steve Waller

12 years ago

Originally Posted by James-

Not wanting to hi-jack this thread or anything, but as it is on topic i will ask anyway.

Say you have a money site on apples, it makes sense that you want to find some expired domains with good metrics that are related to apples in some way, then re-create the site after you purchase the domain about apples again or something similar, then once done point a link or two at your money site about apples thereby increasing your rank in the serps.

I seem to find buying relevant domains with good metrics extremely rare. If i was to buy a decent domain on carpets for example, recreate that site to be about apples and then point a link to my apple site will this still be effective, or is it something we should avoid doing when building out a private blog network?

Interested to hear your thoughts on this Mike, if you are reading.

While not strictly relevant to the question the OP was asking, I'll answer anyway.

Repurposing a carpet site to link to an apple site is fine because as you have already alluded to, finding perfectly relevant domains is not all that easy.

Domains drop and get bought again quite naturally (I've seen it happen for real) so Google can't penalise you just for that. Obviously a relevant domain will have relevant links which would be great but that's not to say that the power of irrelevant links is worthless because quite clearly it is not.

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FranksToys

12 years ago

There ARE good networks out there that you can get in if you know someone in it, but it's about networking and finding those connections to get in those networks.

Your average network you see advertised on every forum is a network to AVOID. Those are the networks that should be avoided.

To your original question though, if you don't have the time to keep a network up-to-par don't bother investing in one. Ideally you should hire a VA or two to do the network management for you.

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johnben1444

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Paul Tovey

Is it really worth investing in a PBN when so many have already done it?
I have the funds available, but not the time, so would it be more worthwhile trying to find somebody with their own?

There are ten drivers but all drive differently.

Your job is to find and test the best out of them before settling for one.

The same as building PBN, if done right you can dominate Google.

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Paul Tovey

12 years ago

Thanks guys, PBN is something that has been on mind for a while.
Can you suggest somebody to help me build it/ a great read on it?

I get the theory and I know how to not be stupid with it, but it's the setup/ maintainance that i'm not 100% on.

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Mike Anthony

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Paul Tovey

Can you suggest somebody to help me build it/ a great read on it?

Well as long as you are asking directly I believe I am allowed to answer (if not a mod can let me know as thats my understanding)

I do that kind of thing all the time (see second sig link - and then option to the left at the bottom of the page). Research is the killer time chewer so I research and you buy if interested in domains suggested. My course I generally no longer offer but can set you up on it which I think will meet what you want (plus its updated for old customers). Just drop me a PM

Theres also a guy I think that sells packages but if you want to get a really strong network its better to build your own as I think he includes pr1s and stuff and I wouldn't bother with those plus to me buying on PR now is just really iffy. Last update was really based on Data before august).

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jlxseo

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Theres also a guy I think that sells packages but if you want to get a really strong network its better to build your own as I think he includes pr1s and stuff and I wouldn't bother with those plus to me buying on PR now is just really iffy. Last update was really based on Data before august).

PR1 sites do just fine so long as the rest of the profile is good.

I'd rather have five PR1's than one PR5.

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Kevin Maguire

12 years ago

Originally Posted by jlxseo

PR1 sites do just fine so long as the rest of the profile is good.

I'd rather have five PR1's than one PR5.

Originally Posted by DigitalScience

Right there with you!

Buys networks: Has no clue how PR works. Go figure....

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jadog

12 years ago

Before investing in a PBN you might want to look at this patent.

This Patent here looks to me like a PBN killer. You need to know this if you going todo it so you can find some creative ways to avoid these penalties.

http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...682-892-a.html

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domainingin

12 years ago

Exactly this you need to avoid in a PBN!!!

- Owned by the same entity,
- Hosted by the same entity,
- Created by the same entity.
- Identical or similar content,
- Identical or similar images,
- Identical or similar formatting,
- Identical or similar Cascading Style Sheets (CSS)

You need a spreadsheet and document all your domains for the PBN.
For ALL of your domains in a PBN, you'll need:

-Different registrar
-Different hoster
-Different (fake) profile
-Different content
-Different images
-Different theme, if Wordpress or other CMS
-Different authority links in your content Wikipedia, BBC, CNN, Answers*com
-Only one link to your money site
and so on

The most important is not to leave any footprint so Google or even a human can't recognize PBN sites are from the same owner!

And you are done.
All the best
Dan

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MikeFriedman

12 years ago

Originally Posted by jlxseo

PR1 sites do just fine so long as the rest of the profile is good.

I'd rather have five PR1's than one PR5.

For a good solid PR 5, that is asinine. I'll trade you 5 PR 1's for each good PR 5 you have. Gladly.

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jlxseo

12 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

For a good solid PR 5, that is asinine. I'll trade you 5 PR 1's for each good PR 5 you have. Gladly.

I'd rather have a mitt full of PR5's too, but if I can only afford one PR5 or a handful of PR1's, I'll take the PR1's, provided the profiles for all of them are good.

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MikeFriedman

12 years ago

Originally Posted by jlxseo

I'd rather have a mitt full of PR5's too, but if I can only afford one PR5 or a handful of PR1's, I'll take the PR1's, provided the profiles for all of them are good.

Most amateurs would. I'll still take the one PR 5. It's not even close.

Hell I could probably create 4-5 PR 3's with a good PR 5.

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jlxseo 12 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

Most amateurs would.

Thank you for that mild slap.

I'll stick with link diversity from several domains.
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- MikeFriedman 12 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by jlxseo
  
  Thank you for that mild slap.
  
  I'll stick with link diversity from several domains.
  
  So you would rather have 5 PR1's than 4-5 PR3's?
  
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  jlxseo 12 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by MikeFriedman
  
  So you would rather have 5 PR1's than 4-5 PR3's?
  
  :confused:
  
  I distinctly stated the issue was either five PR1's or one PR5. It's a non issue; we're both having success with our own methods.
  
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  MikeFriedman 12 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by jlxseo
  
  I distinctly stated the issue was either five PR1's or one PR5. It's a non issue; we're both having success with our own methods.
  
  And I distinctly pointed out why anyone would be a fool to choose five PR1's over one PR5.
  
  You take the one PR 5, and you can easily create 5 PR3's, or at the very least PR2's. You use those for the links to your money site. Then you are still linking to your money site off of 5 domains, but they are PR2's and PR3's instead of just PR1's. So the diversity argument is trumped. You can have the same diversity, but from stronger domains instead.
  
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  Mike Anthony 12 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by jlxseo
  
  I'd rather have five PR1's than one PR5.
  
  Good night. This is one of the reasons I stopped posting much here.
  
  Originally Posted by MikeFriedman
  
  You take the one PR 5, and you can easily create 5 PR3's, or at the very least PR2's.
  
  Low OBL strong PR5 I have created PR4s. Lots of people can't afford a good Pr5 but to say prices equal you would take 5 PR1s over one legit PR5 ? Thats just ignorance talking
  
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twilightofidols 12 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

For a good solid PR 5, that is asinine. I'll trade you 5 PR 1's for each good PR 5 you have. Gladly.

Same, to the poster above. Have my PR 1's I'll take that 5.
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Joseph Then

12 years ago

I run a network of nearly 100 sites and from experience you really need a good set of tools. If not, you'll be spending time on tracking which domain belongs to which, etc.

If you decide to setup a PBN, remember that your spreadsheet is your best friend.

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MikeFriedman

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Joseph Then

I run a network of nearly 100 sites and from experience you really need a good set of tools. If not, you'll be spending time on tracking which domain belongs to which, etc.

That's not true.

I have a lot more sites than that which I either own or assist with. No need for tools.

Separate spreadsheet for every niche. That's all you really need.

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Joseph Then

12 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

That's not true.

I have a lot more sites than that which I either own or assist with. No need for tools.

Separate spreadsheet for every niche. That's all you really need.

Well, maybe it's just a preference of managing.

But, at least one thing is common and that is, a spreadsheet.

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nob

12 years ago

Got some ego's here guys!! Its like my numbers are bigger than yours!! I thought you all said PR is now unimportant ?? as google doesn't update PR like it use to. So getting away from PR numbers what are your main metrics when domain hunting? What do you look for in a domain metric that makes you start doing some deeper analysis?

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yukon

Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by nob

I thought you all said PR is now unimportant ??

Only the moz fans said that.

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nob

12 years ago

So to you yukon PR is what, No1 or No2 on your list of metrics?

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yukon

Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by nob

So to you yukon PR is what, No1 or No2 on your list of metrics?

I wouldn't really put a number on it but it's at the top of my list.

It doesn't matter to me If PR updates this year or not, there's 15 years worth of PR backlink data out there to work with.

I still see backlink profiles based on PR ranking competitive keywords.

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Mike Anthony

12 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

It doesn't matter to me If PR updates this year or not, there's 15 years worth of PR backlink data out there to work with.

Wow! You really know nothing about this subject. 15 year old Pr data means nothing to buying a domain and building a PBN this year. Since PR is a measure of links coming in thats like claiming backlink history from 10+ years ago is good for determining today's link profile. Thats just ridiculous nonsense that should open anyone's eyes that you have no clue what you are talking about.

To everyone else don't make the Moz and Majestic haters lead you astray. Using a metric that rarely updates to filter your domains is just nonsense. Its like using a wind up clock to tell time even though you know the clock is seldom wound up.

I usually look for domains with DA of 20-30, which I can usually get for less than $100 bucks.

Use DA with Trustflow and also maybe Mozrank. The two metrics together are far better than one and you pay that much for DA 20-30?

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yukon

Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Wow! You really know nothing about this subject. 15 year old Pr data means nothing to buying a domain and building a PBN this year . Thats just ridiculous nonsense that should open anyone's eyes that you have no clue what you are talking about.

I don't know what your looking at but all anyone has to do is follow the links. It's not complicated, it's not anything knew.

PR is still ranking pages today.

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Mike Anthony

12 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

I don't know what your looking at but all anyone has to do is follow the links. It's not complicated, it's not anything knew.

A) new is spelt new not knew
B) PR toolbar for the public which is the only thing you see ranks nothing. existing links to a site does. You can't look at any serp and look just at PR because there can be links there with a ton load of REAL non toolbar PR not showing up
C) if you make that argument I can show you a ton load of top rankings with High DAs and PAs and claim DAs are ranking sites
D) This is a thread about PBNs so we are talking about Buying or acquiring domains with metrics and its just forever nonsense that you can determine a domain to buy based on its 15 year PR history - just total and absolute nonsense.

Anyway carry on with the nonsense. its why this forum has become so worthless.

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yukon

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Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

A) new is spelt new not knew
B) PR toolbar for the public which is the only thing you see ranks nothing. existing links to a site does. You can't look at any serp and look just at PR because there can be links there with a ton load of REAL non toolbar PR not showing up
C) if you make that argument I can show you a ton load of top rankings with High DAs and PAs and claim DAs are ranking sites
D) This is a thread about PBNs so we are talking about Buying or acquiring domains with metrics and its just forever nonsense that you can determine a domain to buy based on its 15 year PR history - just total and absolute nonsense.

A) I just woke up (Sun., AM), not caring about typos.
B) Again, check the backlink page link sources.
C) I don't care about DIY metrics.
D) Again, check the backlink page link sources.

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jadog

12 years ago

Hey Guys,
I can say for a fact I have launched over 30 sites this year that have spanked PR domains for the exact same search phrases. So PR is not as Valid as it once was. At the same time I purchased 5 PR domains From PR 3-6 to test them launching site with similar SEO strategy and Niches.

My PR sites DO NOT have any distinct advantage for Ranking or Speed of Indexing. However what I am finding is that the PR domains are less volatile to the Whims of Google. It seems to be less likely to be penalized and they seem to have a more consistent growth pattern without the Boom and Bust cycle my other domains are having.

My Testing Consists over 3 Million Organic views per month across 25 Domains and over 550,000,000 pages. If you would like to Sift through my data at some point we could discuss that. The amount of data I have really help paint a clear picture.

If OP and you two would like to do a private Hangout to examine my data I would be happy to share what I'm seeing.

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