A Domain with an HIGH Domain Authority and an HIGH PR is expiring, would you backorder it?

by marco12345

Posted: 11 years ago 27 replies

Hi,

let us take in example the following domain that is expiring:

oldvictunnels.com

The domain has a 45 domain authority value and the backlink analysis is good (no spammy links or artificial links).

The domain has also an excellent majestic SEO Profile, 520 reffering domains from 437 IPs and some .edu backlinks.

http://www.majesticseo.com/reports/s...exDataSource=F

The problem is that this domain is redirecting to another website as you can see on :

Internet Archive Wayback Machine

The question is:

Is this redirect transfering all the pagerank and all the authority to the other domain or the domain is still a good domain to backorder?

#authority #backorder #domain #expiring #high

maverickk3 11 years ago

I have tried to backorder a domain name many times.
Still no luck.99% good domains will never comes to you .
As far for the redirection , yes , a permanent redirect almost all the times transfer the PR not sure for the authority.
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- marco12345 11 years ago
  
  Sure,
  if you want to pay only the backorder fee is impossible.
  For the good domains you have to win an auction with several hundreds of dollars.
  
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MikeFriedman

11 years ago

You need to take another look at that domain. The links are basically all gone.

It's pretty close to worthless.

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marco12345

11 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

You need to take another look at that domain. The links are basically all gone.

It's pretty close to worthless.

Can you please provide an explanation of that?
Why if the links are all gone the domain has still an excellent domain authority?

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MikeFriedman

11 years ago

Originally Posted by marco12345

Can you please provide an explanation of that?
Why if the links are all gone the domain has still an excellent domain authority?

Because Domain Authority is based on OSE's lousy backlink database.

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Mike Anthony

11 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

Because Domain Authority is based on OSE's lousy backlink database.

LOL why do the two mods in here always dump on Moz? Envy? I dunno. If anything OSE a lot of the time UNDER values a domain because it doesn't show enough backlinks.

Anyway Mike knows his stuff. He just uses Seo Spyglass which, sorry mike, just sucks for checking backlinks these days. The domain in question still has some solid links. Probably about a weak PR4 - not as high as the DA is showing for the more obvious reason that the links were just lost.

Regardless of metrics (and no matter what you hear Moz is leaps and bounds better than pagerank - because it rarely is up to date) you ALWAYS check the backlinks

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yukon

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

It doesn't matter what personal preference you use to check the links, the OP domain links are mostly already dropped like Mike F. said. Spyglass will/does show the links are missing with the click of a few buttons. You can manually verify the links are missing from spyglass but I've never found the software to be wrong.

You don't even have to care about PR, the links are still missing.

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marco12345

11 years ago

Anyone can provide a link to show the lost backlinks of this domain?

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Mike Anthony

11 years ago

Originally Posted by marco12345

Anyone can provide a link to show the lost backlinks of this domain?

You really can't show a lost backlink. If its gone off the page theres no evidence it was there. You have to use a tool.

Try backlink miner. Its cheaper can be used for more things and it doesn't become a paperweight like SEO Spyglass does when you don't pay them monthly fees. I have two copies of Spyglass and almost never use it because the internal backlink checker SUCKS. Miner can also load ahrefs and check for existing backlinks which in my opinion is the ONLY thing spyglass is good for nowadays.

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Mike Anthony

11 years ago

examples of existing links

http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/20...-small-spaces/ sea plays anchor text

CultureLab: Stepping back in time to Victorian science

What to see: Lyn Gardner's theatre tips | Stage | theguardian.com

Bunch more PR4s and PR3s. Only thing is if my nofollow plugin is working (sometimes on the fritz) so double check that

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marco12345

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Now i can understand why the domain has an amazing majestic seo profile,
dofollow backlinks from ny times and the guardian are pretty strong!

So, you would pay for backorder this domain?
Are you afraid for the redirect?

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Mike Anthony

11 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

It doesn't matter what personal preference you use to check the links,

total and absolute nonsense. Of course it matters what you use to check backlinks. depending on what you use you will miss the backlinks

You can manually verify the links are missing from spyglass but I've never found the software to be wrong. You don't even have to care about PR, the links are still missing.

Good night.SEO spyglass is wrong almost all the time. It misses a TON LOAD of backlinks. You have to load it up with ahrefs to get good coverage.

Besides which I am not asking I am telling - that domain still has a bunch of PR4s , PR3 and a couple PR5s. I am looking at them right now and they are there. Now it has lost a bit too including its PR6 links but there are high authority links there.

So even if you are still in love with the almost never updating PR they are not all gone or mostly all gone

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marco12345

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Besides which I am not asking I am telling - that domain still has a bunch of PR4s , PR3 and a couple PR5s. I am looking at them right now and they are there. Now it has lost a bit too including its PR6 links but there are high authority links there.
So even if you are still in love with the almost never updating PR they are not all gone or mostly all gone

So, despite the domain has lost some backlinks and despite the redirect,
you advice to place a backorder for this domain due to the high DA value and to the good backlinks that it has mantained?

At the next PR update, the domain will lose all the PR ?

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Mike Anthony

11 years ago

Originally Posted by marco12345

The few links I saw were to the domain not the redirect which is what matters. In addition the ones above are likely to stay due to being in old magazine links. For the price of a backorder it would be a decent buy but given that everyything with even Pr3 status is bid on I doubt you will get it on backorder. Would I pay hundreds for it? No. Please note

YOU NEVER EVER BUY ANY DOMAIN BASED ON ANY METRIC

Not Pr, not DA not Moztrust. Why? because none of the public metrics update every day or even every week. Has nothing to do with the metric sucking but because links can be lost between update to the metric

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marco12345

11 years ago

Ok,

so we all agree that the domain is good for a backorder because most likely at the next PR Update it will be a good domain with PR 3 or a weak PR 4 and we can spend a modest value like 70$ that is the basic fee on Snapnames.

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

YOU NEVER EVER BUY ANY DOMAIN BASED ON ANY METRIC

Not Pr, not DA not Moztrust. Why? because none of the public metrics update every day or even every week. Has nothing to do with the metric sucking but because links can be lost between update to the metric

Sorry, but if PR , DA , TRUST FLOW are not metrics on which to base a backorder because links can be lost between updates , WHAT PARAMETERS do you use for place a backorder?

There are hundreds of similar domains expiring every week, for each of it do you spend 5/10 minutes for decide if is a good domain for place a backorder checking manually all the backlinks?

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Mike Anthony

11 years ago

Originally Posted by marco12345

Ok,

Sorry, but if PR , DA , TRUST FLOW are not metrics on which to base a backorder because links can be lost between updates , WHAT PARAMETERS do you use for place a backorder?

There are hundreds of similar domains expiring every week, for each of it do you spend 5/10 minutes for decide if is a good domain for place a backorder checking manually all the backlinks?

Thats a good question. My take is you use the metrics PRECISELY to screen out the domains not to check. Will you miss 1 in 50 that are good? Maybe but the time you spend checking every domain would be insane so you need some filtering system and you use the metrics as filters. I use both majestic and Moz combined to do that. If you use something like Register compass then you can enter in the metrics and go from thousands of domains to under a hundred (depending on your metrics)

LOL...Kevin M is going to be in here cursing me out soon. He and a few others don't want me mentioning or teaching network stuff anymore. thing is since I stopped I still see people trying and in the last week a few people losing money doing it. I don't think radio silence is working

Cats out the bag Kevin...almost everyone has figured out its one of the few things left that works.

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marco12345

11 years ago

You have not answered

After you have screened the domains what do you do for decide if the domain is good for a backorder and how much you set in the max bid field of the dropcatcher ?

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Mike Anthony

11 years ago

Originally Posted by marco12345

You have not answered

After you have screened the domains what do you do for decide if the domain is good for a backorder and how much you set in the max bid field of the dropcatcher ?

If you are looking to learn everything there is to this subject in a forum thread you are destined to lose money.

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Kevin Maguire 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Cats out the bag Kevin...almost everyone has figured out its one of the few things left that works.

I'm about a year ahead of this saturated method of networking. If SEO was paint, then I'm an artist. And I'm about to paint my masterpiece.
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MikeFriedman

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

LOL why do the two mods in here always dump on Moz? Envy? I dunno. If anything OSE a lot of the time UNDER values a domain because it doesn't show enough backlinks.

I'm not dumping on Moz, but if you had to just pick one today... OSE, Ahrefs, or MajesticSEO, then OSE would be the last choice.

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Anyway Mike knows his stuff. He just uses Seo Spyglass which, sorry mike, just sucks for checking backlinks these days.

That's not true. I use SpyGlass to tell if the links exist or not. I import the links from Ahrefs and Majestic into SpyGlass along with whatever links SpyGlass finds.

I'm not about to rely on one database when evaluating domains. They all are lacking somewhat.

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Mike Anthony

11 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

I'm not dumping on Moz, but if you had to just pick one today... OSE, Ahrefs, or MajesticSEO, then OSE would be the last choice.

Why did you leave out Pagerank?

Further you don't have to choose one which is why the Moz hate (and I don't see anyone dissing anything but Moz) is so strange to me. Moz with trustflow works GREAT. That combo is my FIRST Choice

Check out Backlink Miner. Its come along and pulls from Seokicks, Moz, blekko and can import Ahrefs as well. Most of the links it found were pulled from blekko and Seokicks. NO monthly fees. Loading in ahrefs is just tedious. Plus I am teaching my guys now how to do killer competitive research with it since it has a side feature for pulling in top ten and analyzing all ten ranking sites

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MikeFriedman

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Why did you leave out Pagerank?

Further you don't have to choose one which is why the Moz hate (and I don't see anyone dissing anything but Moz) is so strange to me. Moz with trustflow works GREAT. That combo is my FIRST Choice

I'm not talking about metrics. I mean just purely for finding backlinks. Ahrefs and Majestic run circles around OSE.

If OSE had a more complete link database, I would feel differently about it. That's my only issue with it. That and there are some inconsistencies within their own system. For example, how often have you found a domain that OSE says has zero backlinks, but it still has a DA over 35? How the F does that happen? :confused:

I've found that way too much.

And if you want to see me diss something else, ask me what I think about Ahrefs' Domain Rank....

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Check out Backlink Miner. Its come along and pulls from Seokicks, Moz, blekko and can import Ahrefs as well. Most of the links it found were pulled from blekko and Seokicks. NO monthly fees. Loading in ahrefs is just tedious. Plus I am teaching my guys now how to do killer competitive research with it since it has a side feature for pulling in top ten and analyzing all ten ranking sites

I will check that out again. First time I tried it, it was a total, barely working, POS. That was probably a year ago though.

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Mike Anthony 11 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

If OSE had a more complete link database, I would feel differently about it.

No doubt their coverage is spotty. I think they go after quality and yeah miss a bunch of times.

For example, how often have you found a domain that OSE says has zero backlinks, but it still has a DA over 35? How the F does that happen? :confused:

Easy. how do you find PR6s with no backlinks? Plus I don't deny they can be fooled and gamed. I just don't know what its so special because so can PR. I Look at Moz like a socket set. Without an extension its not too handy working on an engine but since Majestic trustflow can be put with it - kind of nifty as a combo.

I will check that out again. First time I tried it, it was a total, barely working, POS. That was probably a year ago though.

Actually I should apologize. I helped steer you wrong on that because I think you asked me my opinion (as I ask yours) and I didn't like it either. I dunno maybe they added more engines because now I can make some pretty good decisions without loading in ahref and that can be a pain when you are going through a few hundred. I have a bot that just loads them up, so though the bot fails every now and again, I can go through a bunch on my VPS. I just could never get SPyglass to completely go through a check of many domains without having to interact with it
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- Mike Anthony 11 years ago
  
  "And if you want to see me diss something else, ask me what I think about Ahrefs' Domain Rank.... "
  
  LOL I missed that. TOTALLY agree. If they would get off their rear and create a good rating system I'd be the first to admit you would need nothing else. To be honest the only one really pushing for advances in their metrics and tool is Majestic. I don't even know why ahrefs bothers to have those numbers. I can't make heads or tails out of it.
  
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MikeFriedman 11 years ago

I had to run the site again. Turned out my proxies burnt out in the middle of checking it the first time, and I didn't notice. It has a few decent links, but a lot of those are on pages with 100+ outgoing links. It's not something I would pay much for.

If it is a PR 4, it is a very, very weak one. More likely a PR 3, if that matters to you.
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- Mike Anthony 11 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by MikeFriedman
  
  . It's not something I would pay much for....
  If it is a PR 4, it is a very, very weak one. More likely a PR 3, if that matters to you.
  
  Yeah thats my estimation with the links that are actually there. Given what PR3s are going for (somewhat ridiculous) I only recommended as a backorder - not hundreds but crazy market at godaddy I would not be surprised to see it go for over a hundred dollars (I'd be surprised if it goes through an auction and did not get bid on though).
  
  As aside for those who are buying - the links left are what you should generally look for - in context older articles - less likely to be removed. On magazine sites you are going to have a lot of navigation link. Its however not spammy.
  
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Dennis Millbrath 11 years ago

You would have to use a backorder domain server, there are probably many people looking to do the same. I have got backorder domains before by using Pool.com. The bigger question is will this domain have value to you. If it is in your niche and related to the industry you are already in then yes, go get it, if not then it will likely not have much value.
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A Domain with an HIGH Domain Authority and an HIGH PR is expiring, would you backorder it?

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