PBN - I do not understand

by erichon

Posted: 12 years ago 36 replies

Hi there
my first post

All people say you should hide your whois if you build a private blog network. But why?
Lets say you have 5 sites and one money site, all owned by the same person. All have high authority and trust and have related topic. Why not interlink them and not hiding the whois?

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twilightofidols

12 years ago

Spammers scrape the whois database 24/7. I once registered a domain and had spam within minutes, because I forgot to add private whois.

How easy do you think it would be for Google to scrape this data as well?

Private Blog Networks are a "link scheme". Buying domains for the sole purpose of linking back to your site is against the Webmaster Guidelines. It would be foolish to leave such a huge footprint on the web for Google and your competitors to follow.

A quality private network can be costly, why would you leave it wide open? I shudder at the thought of my private home address, phone number, and name being scraped up by every database i.e. webboar etc.. posted for the world to see who owns my private blog network. It's a dumb move.

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erichon

12 years ago

So if you own several websites (with good content, real websites) and they link to each other that is against the Webmaster guidelines?

I give an example what I mean:
Lets say I have a website about traveling around the US

assume it has 200 blog posts about 1000 words etc). Then I make sites one about Arizona (again 200 blog posts etc) and link to this site, then I create one about Florida (again 200 blog posts) and link from the US travel site to the Florida site, is this AGAINST the wemaster guidelines?

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twilightofidols

12 years ago

Originally Posted by erichon

It seems there's a confusion a terms. There's a difference between a network of interrelated money sites for the purpose of driving traffic and converting, and a private blog network set up for the primary purpose of passing link juice and bolstering your site.

Another member can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think as long as the sites are related subjects it's okay to interlink them as long as you aren't attempting to do so for the sake of passing link juice or gaining an SEO boost.

However, you wouldn't want to link your payday loans site to a site about saving baby dolphins.

If you had a site on Arizona, and a site on Florida (as per your example) why wouldn't you just create a site instead "United States" and consolidate your efforts?

So are you trying to build a bunch of related money sites or are you trying to build a PBN for boosting your rank?

Some people attempt to build out there PBN sites as money sites in there own right, but for a newbie this is probably beyond your scope of time and resources.

It takes enough time and effort and know-how to maintain these PBN blogs especially if you don't have to a good automation system in place.

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MikeFriedman

12 years ago

That's not a private network. That's just a collection of related sites. Nothing to worry about.

I would still use the WhoIs privacy for the spammer issue mentioned above.

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erichon

12 years ago

But it would have the same effect as a Private Blog Network regarding passing link juice, the links would count the same, as if they would come from a blog owned by another person?

What if I would buy aged domains (same niche) with links already and some trust and add my own related content thus building a network of related sites? Is this a way to go and rank?

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Kevin Maguire

12 years ago

Originally Posted by erichon

What if I would buy aged domains (same niche) with links already and some trust and add my own related content thus building a network of related sites? Is this a way to go and rank?

See what happens when you ask a good question.

You end up finding the biggest secret behind good SEO all by yourself.

CONGRATZ

It takes most years to realize this and most never do.

Use the force (juice)

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erichon

12 years ago

But in this case I should hide the whois? (not only because of spammers)?

Originally Posted by Kevin Maguire

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Kevin Maguire

12 years ago

Originally Posted by erichon

But in this case I should hide the whois? (not only because of spammers)?

Yes always hide, even for the sake that nobody needs to know you or your business.

You should also keep them on different hosting companies too.

Different themes, styles, look etc... Making a good effort in the beginning, will save you a lot of time and make you more money in the future.

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erichon

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Kevin Maguire

Yes always hide, even for the sake that nobody needs to know you or your business.

You should also keep them on different hosting companies too.

Different themes, styles, look etc... Making a good effort in the beginning, will save you a lot of time and make you more money in the future.

Yes sure, that what I do. But sorry for my dumb questions I am really new to all that SEO stuff. What do I then need a PBN for?

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Kevin Maguire

12 years ago

Originally Posted by erichon

What do I then need a PBN for?

It will help to rank your site, to get some traffic to your site and in turn hopefully some money.

Sex, Drugs and RocKnRoLL...fast cars and loose women. Whatever you fancy yourself.

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erichon

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Kevin Maguire

It will help to rank your site, to get some traffic to your site and in turn hopefully some money.

Sex, Drugs and RocKnRoLL...fast cars and loose women. Whatever you fancy yourself.

Lool, yeah that's what we all are after I suppose.

Yes, that is what I want to achieve. Rank the sites and get traffic. I think I have not quite understood that PBN issue,yet. Can I achieve the same (rank the sites easily and get traffic), when I create lots of sites that have unique content, are authority sites, really big sites with lots of posts and content and interlink them?

Obviously its hard for me to understand how google thinks. Even if I buy aged sites related to my niches and redirect them to my sites, they should pass link juice (if they have of course) and there is actually no need to put them in a PBN, it is not blackhat, or?

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Mike Anthony

12 years ago

lots of posts and content

See my point above. Where is all this content going to come from? Don't be fooled. Just because a PBN has all the same niche does not matter fig newtons. Most of us in this thread can spot a PBN in a second and it has nothing to do with not in the same niche. the links and the content itself gives it away regardless of same niche

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erichon

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

So you say (sorry but I am not native English), that it can be done as I outlined above, but the problem will be lack of quality over time. Again sorry for my questions but I really want to understand it. Producing content is not a problem for me (Worked as a journalist for a major newspaper), I even write books, which is very easy for me to earn a living from it. Let me tell you how I understand a PBN, maybe I get the whole idea wrong.

For me a PBN means, that you create some sites, hide your identity, and point links from these sites to your money site. (so far except for the hiding, no difference to a public "network of related sites"). The goal is to boost your ranks of the money site. Advantage you have control over it. For my understanding it would only make sense to create a PBN, if google would value links from other owners MORE than from the same owner. Is this the case?

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Mike Anthony

12 years ago

Well my man go for it. I am not saying you should not use PBNs. I teach people how to build them and am probably best known here for that subject. I am just saying a lot of people swore they were going to do it all in one niche and then find out that maintaining 50 sites to all look perfectly legit is a fantasy.

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erichon

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Mike, you got me wrong. I did not say I want to go for a PBN. The contrary is true. I want to create a network of sites on the same broad topic, without hiding my identity, and rank them high. So my question was: What are the advantages of a PBN, in comparison with a loose network of sites when it comes to ranking.

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Kevin Maguire

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

The start of my course would discuss the importance of targeting a "market" rather then a niche in today's landscape.

You can still target and prioritize just a few exact keywords, through smart use of categories and internal linking structures. But having a much wider net of possible content choices, makes life a lot easier. Not so easy to find domains for niches either, another reason why markets gives you an edge.

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Mike Anthony

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Kevin Maguire

The start of my course would discuss the importance of targeting a "market" rather then a niche in today's landscape.

All this "would' and "could' ....Do it bro. I think you will find though that the market for SEO network courses does not want to hear about writing thousands of high quality articles in order to rank. Its their option within such a course and I both do and did talk about spending money on quality content. I just don't sell them on the fantasy they are going to have a hundred sites all perfectly legit looking and "authority" worthy.

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Kevin Maguire

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

I've no fear of sharing what I'm doing. If you took away the OBL part, it's a fairly legit way to set yourself up. All I'm doing is a little keyword sculpting away from the originally targeted keywords. By just using internal links and going after the weaker field of keywords. Nothing too magical about it really.

But you are right in saying it takes time and money, so most won't get the chance to do it. And also why I found targeting a large market might save some time at least.

Use things like SEMRush to check out keyword histories, I like that.

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Mike Anthony

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Kevin Maguire

But you are right in saying it takes time and money, so most won't get the chance to do it. And also why I found targeting a large market might save some time at least.

Hey no doubt. If you have the cash for writers then sure but to do it right is going to be quite expensive and time consuming.

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Mike Anthony

12 years ago

I am not saying don't use a PBN. I have taught hundreds of people to so I would be a hypocrite to say that. I am probably best known for that subject here. I am just saying that everyone who has thought they were going to create 50-100 perfectly legit sites (much less authority sites) not one has including me. I'm writing a book too and its different process than writing diiferetn articles and dealing with multiple different sites. Its a fantasy unless you have a team (and not virtual helpers either). some of the sites are going to suffer and not look nor read like real authority domains

Anyway the whole point is moot. I had a glitch at Namecheap recently and had a few domains not covered by whois. it took a couple of days to start getting hit by spam offers to sell me other domains, hosting, web design etc etc.

Not worth the bother....at least for me

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Mike Anthony

12 years ago

BTW I get requests from customer all the time for relevant domains (although relevance is determine by page content not the domain name but some WSO or blog posts has them fooled). I usually turn them all away. Its hard enough in this market getting decently priced domains of high quality but to add the requirement that they have certain names in them and still be quality will take you forever to build a PBN....hours and hour each month to slowly build.

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yukon

Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

I don't care about the domain name but a relevant link profile is better (long term) than random niche link sources. It's kind of weird to have a cooking site with a backlink profile from a defunct auto parts store.

It's not difficult to build a relevant backlink profile from dropped domains running SB. Time consuming maybe, but far from being difficult.

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Mike Anthony

12 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

Yuke once you do enough backlink analysis of domains you will learn that most solid organic profile sites got just as much or more domain URL links than anchor text links. You are thinking like an IMer. Most good domains onthe market are not Bobsautoparts.com but pretty generic domains. I don't think I have one PR5+ that has a name like that or a link profile rammed with anchor text.

It's not difficult to build a relevant backlink profile from dropped domains running SB. Time consuming maybe, but far from being difficult.

If thats SB is scrapebox then its no wonder we disagree so often. Building networks based on crappy blog comments? sheesh welcome to the 90s.

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yukon

Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Don't go full retard just yet.

I never said anything about blog comments.

I'm talking about scraping 404s for relevant domains that have relevant link profiles. You stick with Godaddy auctions & I'll stick with SB, $10 domains, relevant link profiles & potential direct niche traffic.

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Mike Anthony

12 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

Don't go full retard just yet.

Trip was not planned. Seeking reviews

"I'm talking about scraping 404s for relevant domains that have relevant link profiles. You stick with Godaddy auctions & I'll stick with SB, $10 domains, relevant link profiles & potential direct niche traffic.

LOL.....You know nothing of where I stick to. I have not even visited godaddy auction in close to two years. Enter 2014 There are much better ways to seek expired domains than 404s and SB. 404s give you too many false positives because a 404 just means a broken link. You keep scraping your little heart out though.

Still I think its cute you think you can lecture me on PBNs and building networks

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AmanD 12 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Enter 2014 There are much better ways to seek expired domains than 404s and SB.

Could you elaborate further? What are the better ways you are referring to?
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yukon Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

404s give you too many false positives because a 404 just means a broken link.

Try bulk scraping.

I hope the ebook is better than this.
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- Mike Anthony 12 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by yukon
  
  Try bulk scraping.
  
  I hope the ebook is better than this.
  
  errrr ....Duh....who buys SB not to use bulk? That would be pretty silly but no I use software that cross checks at the same time if the domain name is resolving and then automate the process so it does a whois check but like I said.....
  
  Its cute you think you can teach ME how to build networks and buy/find domains. Since you keep insisting to know what I do and what ebook I have for sale nowhere.... Hows the adwords training going?......oh wait.
  
  BTW.......I CAN write you the ebook since you are so interested. You look like you want me to
  
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twilightofidols

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

I had a glitch at Namecheap recently and had a few domains not covered by whois. it took a couple of days to start getting hit by spam offers to sell me other domains, hosting, web design etc etc.

This exact same thing happened to me. My private info was leaked and I always select whoisguard at sign up.

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Kevin Maguire 12 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Most of us in this thread can spot a PBN in a second

Meh, I'm carrying this as my new quote.

"I am to SEO, as Da Vinci to paint. And I'm about to create my Masterpiece."

I'll have enough bread to buy Tim that damn kidney.
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- Mike Anthony 12 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Kevin Maguire
  
  "I am to SEO, as Da Vinci to paint. And I'm about to create my Masterpiece."
  
  You said that about another subject the day after Valentines night but the girls told me it was more like paint by numbers
  
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Mike Anthony

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Kevin Maguire

Yes always hide, even for the sake that nobody needs to know you or your business.

You should also keep them on different hosting companies too.

Different themes, styles, look etc...

SO lookie here lookie here

Look whose teaching PBNs on open forums ? What happened to " keep it off the radar Mike" Thats it.....my course is going back up - for a dollar. Time to jack up the prices on aged domains again. lol

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Mike Anthony

12 years ago

Originally Posted by erichon

What if I would buy aged domains (same niche) with links already and some trust and add my own related content thus building a network of related sites? Is this a way to go and rank?

Waaaaaaaaay easier said than done. No problem with the idea itself but once you get to anything but a very small network the quality of the sites begins to drop because of the content needs of filling all the sites with quality content.

Doesn't matter if they are all on the same subject - the links with sub quality content are a dead give aways. Will there be some service providers and Imers that say they are doing it? Sure but the quality they think they have doesn't match anybody elses idea of quality.

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hipeopo02

12 years ago

Originally Posted by erichon

What if I would buy aged domains (same niche) with links already and some trust and add my own related content thus building a network of related sites? Is this a way to go and rank?

Originally Posted by Kevin Maguire

I second that. The whole networking sites peanut butter and jelly or whatever you call it is big.

OP,

next up there is content sources and finally...

SERPS free engine traffic generation and then you are all set

Those 3 make up the "Triforce of IM"

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Kevin Maguire 12 years ago

Why people still believe they can find domains that have not been live since pre 2010, using random search queries is beyond me.
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- DPM70 12 years ago
  
  Spencer and his dog didn't pick them all up, yet. Random - no (you're right), outside of box searches - YES!
  
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