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Meanwhile may I ask who put the sig link in your signature ? someone else or your SELF? If someone else whose your promoter? Don King? he's retired and now does sigs I guess.... lol. Self promoters critiquing self promoters, Imers claiming other industries are full of scammers and people promoting places that sell SEO "scams" claiming they are free from scamming. Is there some water everyone on the HMS bounty is all sipping from? | |
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This why I addressed Yukon's post because he does know that I am not talking about dropping company name, link, references to your own WSO or anything you just mentioned in your ignorance but to deleting threads based on the possibility they MAY be promotional as indicated and your glasses fogged over when I wrote
How else does Yukon know I am not talking about skirting advertising on WF? because as a mod he has most likely seen me REPORT such things. I am not the one that has a problem with freelancer being for profit (as if thats new for WF - lol) and neither wish nor think they should allow people to advertise freely. Shucks I even understand their not wanting to link to competing services like you drone on they should. I am fine with that Better luck next time | |||
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But I know exactly the type of thread you are talking about, as I have seen and reported many of them, and they have promptly disappeared after doing so. They make an "oh so informative" thread by an "oh so guroooey like" person, and drop all the self promotional info in the post along with self promotional videos. Sorry ... I don't care who is doing it ... it's self promotion and thus far, it has not been allowed if reported. Who knows ... rules may change. But they haven't yet and I really don't see freelancer allowing people to litter up the subforums with free advertising ... at least not deliberately allowing it. The lack of moderation in those forums is another matter altogether. | |
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I've been called a dick, a scammer because I do SEO and you are trying hard to insinuate that I want to avoid paying WF advertising all because I am a senior member that supports management and disagreed with Sal trying to claim all was rosy before new ownership You can all have a cow - well so to speak . In my encounters I have found Alaister to be less arrogant and kinder than the whole of you put together. maybe since I don't know him well that may change a bit but seen you guys in action long enough | ||
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That's too funny. I don't give what you support or don't support a second thought. Seems I forgot, until I was just reminded via pm, what a big black sinkhole conversing with you is, so I'll bid you goodnight.
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Mike, I'm not going to argue the merits of one personal choice over another. I know there'd be a lot more people getting scammed here, especially in the JV section, if I'd gone with your option. I'm happy with the results of my decision on that. As far as the question of all those link spamming tools... Offers for them or related training haven't been allowed here for several years. The relevant part of the WSO rules is:
Oh... And if you can find anywhere outside of this forum where I've promoted it in the last 5 years or so, I'd be surprised. I've been fairly consistent in keeping my business separate from anyone else's, other than a few affiliate recommendations. (None of them pointing here, by the way.) Haven't offered any paid WSOs here for years for the same reason. Paul | |
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Thank you for openly discussing this change and providing feedback on what has happened. The decision to have the forum moderated by our staff moderators was definitely not an easy one and is in no way a reflection of the old moderators. As I mentioned in my original post, they have done an amazing job and we truly appreciate their dedication over the years. It's really great that you have all shared your thoughts, thanked the old moderators and discussed the changes. However this thread has started to go of topic and divide to community which is of no benefit to anyone. Please keep further discussions here on topic. I've also sent a PM message to some of you. We hope you can give our new moderators and staff the same respect you did for the old ones. |
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Wow, A lot of people, particularly in the beginning of this Thread, coming down hard on New Ownership. This is typical stuff that happens in a Business. New guard comes in and the old guard gets pissed off because things seemed to have changed or someone's feelings get hurt etc..etc.. To me it is kind of ironic. Freelancer is just doing what many of the same people in here who are bitching and whining about are trying to do and that is........Marketing their Services in a prudent and strategic manner and making Money at doing it. Nothing wrong with that at all. You gotta Luv Capitalism and the free markets Maybe many of You here should take a lesson from Freelancer |
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Good move. A couple of sub-forums (like the "Joint Ventures" section) didn't had consistency in terms of thread approvals. Although the Mods had the best of intention, yet it seemed like a personal call of the mods rather than a standard policy. I hope such inconsistencies are removed moving forward. |
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I just want to publically thank all those who have moderated the forum up until now and done a grand job. You've certainly given the freelancer staff a standard to try to live up to! Andy |
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Significant thanks for all the Old Mods for everything they did in their effort to keep the wheels from coming off. I would not be surprised if they are not get called upon again at some time in the future. Andrew |
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I want to just add my thanks to the outgoing (or outgone) volunteer mods. You were not always perfect and I didn't always agree with mod decisions or actions but you did a tough job and you did it well and - importantly - you did it for the community rather than for a wage. So that deserves a huge "bravo". Let's hope the new team will be as dedicated and insightful as you guys (mostly) were. |
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I want to thank all of the outgoing moderators. I have learned a lot from Paul (after getting a dont do that pm). He was my go to guy when I had questions about questionable things going on the forum. It will be interesting to see how things go with the turnover. Jerome |
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I've stopped reporting threads and posts once I realized that the new mods didn't understand how aggressive self promotion worked or what it looked like. They thought it was purely about a few links in a post... Classic sign of the blind leading the blind. It's pointless to have a moderator in something like the SEO section if that person doesn't understand the history or players in that field. As I initially said, I understand the logic, but the flaw in it was either not seen by Alaister or had been not taken seriously enough... By the time it is figured out any attempt to correct will come too late or involve the wrong people in all likelihood. In the mean time, I get to watch a few good guys talk about the very few good topics that come up while everything else goes to hell. | |
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But heres the thing. There was a WILDLY self promotional thread in the SEO section that was there for several hours yesterday. Past mods were in there claiming it would never have been there o n their watch others were yucking it up basically saying the same. Back and forth conversation like I said - for hours(I think stretched over about 10-12 posts). So that would seem to back up your observation but I hit report........in a few minutes if it was there I saw it no more (unless i missed it but I checked more than once). Just like what happens in many forums it just took a report. Hasn't been the first time either I've done that in threads like that just like I did for the old mods - poof gone. So its pretty clear just as you suggested that there is complaining from people who won't even hit the report button. between that and snide comments on the board and even PMs and emails to me - Some WANT and can't wait for WF to burn and new management to fail Another ex mod justified a thread yesterday unlike any that we have ever had in the SEo section before - an OP half about a news report about a person and half a series of rumours and gripes about that same person, Discussion for OT forums (maybe) but never done in the SEO section before. I pointed out the FACT that we never had threads about people in the SEO section regardless if they did SEO. Its been one of the unspoken rules just like in the review section you can't make threads all about people rather than product- One of the justifications from the ex mod?- new management. So why not? Of course when such threads spiral out of control then the same people justifying it can say "see? bad mods". Self fulfilling prophecy Free speech is good stuff but there comes a point (and I am NOT saying YOUare at it) when heckling is just sabatoging the forum. Self promoting is bad and I report it but cheerleading/promoting the failing and burning of WF should be modded jsut like it used to be as well. I've seen people who just heckled vanish n the night In fact with all the talk in various circles on and off the board of people (not you)going elsewhere or maybe going elsewhere sometimes it reads like a "Pre launch promotion" for that new place. mod that under promotional as well. | |
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But what you're saying is "old mods are behaving badly" but the the forum "should be modded just like it used to be". From what I've seen the new folks are perfectly capable of deciding what THEY will allow. However, it's also true that questions asking if they still want member mods have gone unanswered in several threads. For that reason, I report only obvious infractions inside threads where they might be missed. What is concerning - and what may hurt membership - is loss of functionality of the forum. On Sept 29, search function stopped working. A month gone now and no indication it will be fixed. May be one reason so many old threads are being bumped these days - can't find new ones. Makes it harder on the new mods and makes the forum less useful for members, buyers and sellers. | |
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However, after I wrote in a thread that was later deleted that I had turned to intentionally avoiding reporting spam due to the lack of an answer, a new mod sent me a PM to, amongst other things, ask that I continue to report them. So I have. But it would be nice to have a definite answer. Mark | |
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I hear ya Mike. I'll tell you about the moment I officially stop caring... Myself and another person noticed a blatant sales page that was posted in reply to a thread in the SEO section. It was extremely clear what the intent was, not just in links, but verbage. The message was "I made this theme, it is the best theme for this purpose, here is what my theme does and why you should buy it" It was clearly a "Buy my theme" sales letter most of which had nothing to do with the discussion in the thread. I reported it, the mods knocked it out (good job) - but then they PM'ed the guy telling him it was due to the links. So what happens? The advertorial post immediately went back up since the user had a copy of the original still saved, just without the links. In other words, the message is a long form sales letter is fine as long as you don't include a link in the body of the post - other than the CTA signature link which went right to the theme's landing page anyways. So if that's the message in moderation, from the moderators - why bother pointing things out at all? I'm wasting my time, their time, the spammers time... screw it. Why participate in the process, why report posts? I'm not going to train their moderators on what spam looks like when they had perfectly capable, knowledgeable mods in place to begin with. Moderating isn't rocket science in 99% of cases. It's just not. There isn't some great skill set required, for most forums. Certain forums however do require a degree of insight that you simply won't have if you don't live and breath the topic being discussed and I feel that the SEO forum is a perfect example of that. In short, while I felt the moderation change was serious mistake at first I still continued to participate in the process in good faith. Then, my suspicion was proven the very first time I interacted with the new mods. In other words, this followed a very logical progression of events... Change > Suspicion > Confirmation Even if someone said that I just had it out for the new management at all costs, I had nothing to do with the confirmation. I put the ball in their court to see what would happen. They dropped it and in effect, wasted my time. That's not my fault, that wasn't something I could influence in any way. That was purely their choice. The message delivered in that choice was that good faith participation wasn't valued. So, this was a really long way of explaining that I'm not just turned away by the new management. I had been very unsure from the start, but still participated in the process. I thought replacing the mods would carry negative effects, but I still participated in the process.... It's the tangible result of their decisions that has turned me away from participating in the process any further. While new management's decisions may take awhile to accumulate, poor moderation decisions will pile up quickly making the impact far greater. If I had to venture a guess, I would bet that 'Big Al' has made the calculation that the moderation isn't difficult and the new mods will be able to quickly learn on the job. If I'm correct (and I may not be, I'm not trying to put words in his mouth) - I would forward that it is a flawed assumption and the result of that assumption would be disastrous. Most of us (not all, I don't want to lump you into any certain group without your participation or vocalization Mike) can already see the cracks forming... |
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My experience has been the opposite - I have not received a direct reply to ANY question I've asked. Not one. At the same time I see a few members who seem (or at least claim) to have inside info or a dialog with management. I know the new mods are good - I'm sure the new owners have good intentions for this forum. Failure to connect with members on their level is a big mistake in my opinion. To be blunt - it's starting to feel like an "old boy's club" in here and we got rid of that attitude years ago. I'm not bashing - I know where the door is. Just pointing out what I see and how I feel about it. |
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Kay, not sure if you are referring to me but I'm nothing special. I just lucked up and happened to get an explanation of a deleted post - that's all. Mark
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No Mark - not referring to you at all. Just a general comment and I'm not the only oldie here that's thought it. Those who seem to claim special status may be whistling in the for all I know but I've not seen the claims refuted. I'm happy to see answers are being provided and support given. Gives me hope this place will keep growing and improving. |
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But that's an overall atmosphere problem that while directly attached to the moderator changes is actually more systemic of the nature of the new management. That's not the end of the world by any means by the way, but it is not in their favor all the same. I could live with it myself... The issues I'm discussing probably aren't able to be applied forum-wide to be honest. In digital marketing you have specialized skill sets and therefore niches. Each one of these niches are going to have distinct flows and patterns that normally take people years to really get familiar with. Sure, you can probably begin to recognize specific incidents or individual traits within a few months time, but to really have a solid understanding of how conversation is held on both a formal and informal level, that's something which takes longer to develop. SEO is probably the most nuanced of all of these niches discussed on WF. So while things like responding to questions or handling minor, obvious complaints quickly do speak well of the new management - that's just what it is, overall management. What's frustrating is having a group of guys that understand the nuances of a particular niche trying to interact with another group (new mods) who might be fine for overall management but are otherwise clueless about the details. Some of us will be insulted, some angry and others may not mind. However, it will take years for the new mods to understand the more granular elements of our conversations in order to really parse out editorial vs advertorial posts. While that is occurring, the guys that will be annoyed by the process will begin to fall away - and the reaction to that might be "Fine, if they don't want to be here then we don't want them here." The downside of that though, specifically with SEO is that there isn't a huge, vast wealth of talent to draw from. Of all of the members that actively participate on the subforum there are probably less than 10 that can contribute to meaningful, valuable conversation regularly. So what you will develop over those years is a bunch of newbies, a pile of pseudo-SEOs, a mass of sellers and maybe a few quality posters that stuck it out. But nobody with any real talent developed elsewhere is going to look at the discussions held by the remaining membership group I just described and say "Yeah, I want in on this forum!" This brings me back to my original point about accumulated depreciation.... while I applied it in terms of accounting, there is also a very serious talent and human expense that will occur - and it's not something that is easily purchased or can be acquired at a great rate. Having run a SEO forum of my own for several years, I have a pretty specific understanding on how difficult it can be to create the conditions to attract talented, insightful SEO members. What is occurring now is basically "Sudden death" in that forum... in my opinion, based on my extremely verifiable and widely known experience on the matter. | |
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Godoveryou, Really well thought out explanation. Thank you. There are a number of parts of the place that have their own unique and distinct cultures. SEO, copywriting, mobile marketing, and offline marketing stand out as the big ones. (OT, too, but that one is different in ways that any of the mods could learn and deal with pretty quickly.) The SEO and copywriting sections had their own mods, who understood all the critical things you mentioned. They did just fine without much outside interference from the "run of the forum" mods. Mobile and offline have rarely needed any modding. They seem to do quite well on their own. The thinking on those was simple: If those groups can handle their own stuff "in-house," leave them the hell alone. That worked because the active members had an investment in their communities. And yeah, well over 90% of the process is simple. That stuff can be learned quickly and takes a small fraction of the time needed to moderate the place. The rest, as you noted, takes a bucketload of experience to get the hang of. I'd suggest the new mods each take one section to learn thoroughly. Spend a certain amount of time each day just reading posts and getting to know the flow and culture in that group. Once they've got at least the basics down, they could then communicate them to others who have questions. It's not a substitute for years of experience, but it can help cut down the learning curve. And it would keep everyone aware that there isn't just one culture here. Some of that will have a high cost that can't be avoided at this point. There will be people who find the changes unacceptable, or just different enough that they're no longer feeling the same camaraderie they once did. And, as you say, some of those will be losses that aren't easily recovered from. Still, the forum is a pretty large critter. Some of the sections could be built up pretty quickly with the right focus, and the overall system could improve at a fair pace. They have the people needed to do it, both in quantity and quality. For that to happen, the feedback cycle is going to need to speed up. A lot. The very best intentions in the world won't change that. This is a real-time beast. Paul |
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Two more things. A) I haven't read all the places you referred to but I am a little (not much) surprised to read that the question of whether member mods would still be needed was serious. The place I read it - I THINK earlier in this thread - it sounded sarcastic to me. Kind of "you took our mods so you still want us" kind of thing. I say that not to say it was definitely that but it might have been taken like that - protest question - my smart alecky kids might say "am I allowed to take out the garbage Dad....since I am um....grounded. (if you have smart alecky teenagers probably had one of those type questions ). The report button is still there and by numerous accounts the mods are monitoring reports and acting on them. The answer is kinda obvious. B) You never specified and it probably was not me but just in case -I am not aware of any non mod member with special contact with management. My own contact was very limited. I told a joke in a thread that alaister got (rare round these parts) and he PMed me to tell me it was funny. Very short conversation after that - the end. The idea that special connections or relationships are going to be forged with a corporation in charge is probably illusionary. I've seen some people think thats a minus but I like it. levels the playing field for everyone and removes friendship politics. | |
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I can tell you I have nothing but praise for the new Mods. Not ONE time did I ever have a Mod in the past ( in the old days) personally PM me as to why a Thread/Post of mine was deleted. Well, last week it happened THREE times !! They explained the reason for the deletion. And it made perfect sense. One was for a Thread I started that was an announcement of the third EBola case in NY city. The Mod PMed me that there was already a Thread containing all the thoughts and commentary on Ebola and as a result deleted mine. Which made perfect sense Another deletion was one where I quoted a Spammer and then made a derogatory comment to the Spammer. Again, the Mod PMed me and explained that all Quotes containing Spam are Deleted. The third deletion was PMed by a Mod who said because the Post right before mine was deleted and it was inflammatory and I had it in Quotes that it was deleted too . Which I was fine with. Anyway,like I say for what it is worth Paul and no one else from the Old Guard EVER ( to me at least) went out of their way to PM me when a Thread or Post of mine was deleted. NEVER !! And I had plenty of Posts deleted in last 6.5 years I know these old Mods were limited in that they were NOT paid. And it was strictly volunteer work. I get that. I also realize PMing every single deleted Post/Thread would probably be just downright unreasonable and a waste of the time they were only volunteering for. So I am not saying this makes the Old Guard not quality Mods, and Iam not saying they were necessarily worse than these new ones. EDIT : Actually, I also meant to add that they did an excellent , excellent job for what they had to work with. Very professional, imo !! But it is what it is. And needless to say I am impressed by these New Mods I think they deserve a shot at proving themselves, just like the next guy. |
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Robert, The limit was mostly time. For most of the time you've been a member there were only 2 or 3 people (outside the sections with dedicated mods) actively doing all the non-tech things that needed done here. There are now over a dozen people doing those same things. And they don't have their own businesses to run on top of moderating, as far as I know. Paul |
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Wow! Missed this before Kay. Its really illustrative of how relationships and perspectives can be very different so maybe we all should look at our perspectives because if you asked someone else. Say me. I would say we started getting rid of that a few days ago and the idea that it was years ago is really quite funny. | |
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That's why I said "in my opinion" - what I'm seeing, my experience, my observation, my impressions, etc. I don't ask that anyone agree with me - but you don't get to tell me which of MY opinions and MY experiences are valid. That's YOUR opinion and you're welcome to it. |
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I can see your point about the sarcastic part. However, let's look at the other side. WF had a number of experienced (both in being a mod and in running a business/knowing the business), volunteer moderators that they decided to let go. Of course there are a lot of reasons for this I'm sure and in the end it's their decision. The only reason that I can see that makes sense though is that they felt that the old mods were out of control, too lenient, too strict, too much of a good old boys club, bad attitude towards FL, or other type things. If it was an attitude type issue then the best bet may be to cut the strings completely. Or maybe they just wanted something new - for no reason at all except they just wanted something new like the new post icons. They could have handled security and other things virtually - lots of other companies do it. They could have given job offers to the experienced mods to work at a distance. They could have given the old mods the same training about the new FL way just like they did the new mods. Etc. Etc. Etc. But they chose to get rid of free help and use only paid help. That gives the impression to some of us - not in a smart alecky type way but a real life way - that: 1. They have plenty of money and want to spend their money to get the forum moderated according to their company standards. 2. They don't need or want free help. This idea is strengthened by no one answering the question. For example, do they want Paul or Rod to report posts? They were handling posts that were spam and then told "thanks but no thanks." They are members and still frequent the forum. 3. The report icons are still there but that doesn't mean they encourage its use. They just may have not figured out how to change it to take it off yet. It's kind of like a small office where the management decides to hire a cleaning crew to come in twice a week to clean. Previously the employees were cleaning it themselves. Of course, each employee should continue to throw away their own coffee cup, or if they make a mess clean it up. That's common decency. However, they don't have a responsibility now towards other's messes or the restrooms or the kitchen. The company has hired a crew to handle that. In the case of the forum - the posts we report are the other people's messes. So I can see where a legitimate question about the rules going forward can be here for those that have no bad feeling towards FL in the least and no bad feelings toward the old mods or the changeover but are just interested in preserving and building this great resource. Mark
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There will always be the perception of an "old boys network" as long as there's a consistent philosophy included in the moderation process. Those who agree with it won't feel like the OBN exists, and those who don't are more likely to feel excluded, which suggests some deliberate intent that may or may not exist. It's part of every social dynamic. Sometimes it will be even less "official" in nature. Depending on the topic, Main Discussion has at least 3 separate OBNs, composed entirely of members who post most frequently and convincingly on those topics. If the mod(s) and a majority of the active participants in any specific section agree, the perception will be inevitable. The intent, on the other hand, is a whole different discussion. Paul |
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And how many mods are there anyways? 5, 10, 24? If I report 10 posts, that means on average .5-1 mod will be exposed to the problem being reported per 10 reported posts I make? Since this is something that is going to take them quite awhile to learn in the SEO section, your theory suggests that I'm just supposed to hang around reporting posts for them in the hopes that maybe 1 finally notices a pattern... at some point?? Which of course, that pattern recognition will be slowed considerably when you take into account the diluted sample by the number of falsely reported posts from people who just didn't like what someone had to say and there was no real issue present. Really, if that's the case then just make me a mod and cut out the middle man. I don't want to be a mod for the record, but how many months should I spend trying to impart my knowledge without ever knowing if it will actually make a meaningful impact on just one of them at any point in the near future? You see, there is a huge hole in the theory that the membership is responsible for training the moderators. It's not even worth entertaining. *Ill-suited in the sense that they lack the required knowledge of the subject matters at hand to do the job effectively. This is not debatable at this point, it has been demonstrated. | ||
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Godoveryou, The percentage of mods who see any individual report is often much higher than you think. It's not uncommon for mods to leave a note with a report, explaining what they did and why. Other mods will often discuss the decision, or ask for more info. Plus, the new mods all work in the same office. I have no doubt they communicate directly on these things, too Paul |
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Then one element of my standpoint may be inaccurate - I'm perfectly agreeable that there may be an error there. None the less, I would hold the view that the majority of the reasoning remains intact. | |
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Godoveryou, I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with the rest of that post at this point. It's largely a personal choice, and a lot of it will depend on implementation. Just thought that might be a useful thing to know. It's not something most people would ever think would happen if they hadn't seen the system from behind the mod curtain. Paul |
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Godoveryou,
Too many variables, and too little clarity on the goals and philosophy for me to do more than speculate at this point. It's evolving. A lot of the things people objected to most, including myself, are the result of a much simpler cause than was often considered. Alaister is in the unenviable position of trying to balance the expectations of a corporate hierarchy with the very real-time demands of an active forum. Not a simple juggling act, at all. Paul | |
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Its Freelancers internal pre existing policy that their mods be employees. You really can't expect a corporation to buy somewhere and not follow their own policy. Clearly they also want local employees not just virtual. A lot of you are taking this very personal rather than looking it is as business. This is how they do business. They want to manage day to day operations with employees and they want those employees to be local on the spot. They are not at all unusual either among corporations. You would probably frighten the life out of most corporate boards if the CEO was asked "So who is running the day to day operations?" "well we have volunteers" "and how were they picked and what is their qualifications?" "oh well they were picked by the previous owner and are old time members who modded there" "and you have confidence in nonpaid volunteers you never picked running the place?" "Yes" "then why should we have confidence in you?" Worse if members of the board visited and saw old time members trashing the life out of the CEO and Freelancer constantly griping and mentioning the previous owner as doing everything better (supposedly). Heads would probably roll at the first sign of problems. This buy it and leave us alone mentality is just not real world. You can't blame Freelancer for that.
Now if you are saying they just hit the button like anyone else and got the rebuff then I guess theres bad blood there. I could say why that might be but there would probably be a flame war again but I dunno about that part and I tend to think you would only be hearing one side yourself.
the question of whether they still want and use member moderation by hitting the report button has beeen answered by action pretty conclusively. This "give us an answer" feels like its just a point abd protest being made. the two are not even connected. Changing old mods implies nowhere they don't want members to report issues. Proof is in the pudding This whole you pay for it and we run it the way we want is so fantasy land though my man. Corporate business isn't the NBA and even Marc Cuban gets involved so it doesn't work that way there either. You might not like it but to make it personal is off. They are following their policy as I understand it | ||||
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I was referencing actual posts that were not deemed necessary to remove talking about rule changes NOT getting into what was removed or what we were admonished about subsequently. You however are now flame baiting which violates what you were told by PM
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I see these times as a really exciting time at Warrior Forum I embrace change in general and this is no different. We get to see first hand how a multi million dollar company gets to operate first hand. And we get to work in tandem with them as some of us here use WF as a place to assist in building our own Online Businesses Seems like a win-win to me |
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