[NetMan]

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

I can only speak to the Complete Sites for Sale section, as that is the section that I advertise in. I saw that forum at the beginning. People were fed up with Flippa and there was a call to add that forum. It has, I think, been a success since it began.

If you wanted to get really fancy without separating it from the WF, which would be a mistake IMO, it would probably be even more popular if you added auction capabilities to it, so that people could bid on sites. We can still do that in a workaround way, so I doubt that it's critical, but consider this:

WF has the traffic, the sellers and the buyers. Flippa has zero competition. Everyone loved Flippa when it was in the forum format on Sitepoint that it had in the beginning. Their format and pricing moves have turned off an enormous amount of people. Even if WF became the #2 place to buy and sell websites, that is huge.

I also advertise in this forum and I totally agree with what Susan is suggesting here, except I would leave to the seller the option to either direct sell OR/AND put it on auction

Andre

[sbucciarel]

Originally Posted by NetMan

I also advertise in this forum and I totally agree with what Susan is suggesting here, except I would leave to the seller the option to either direct sell OR/AND put it on auction

Andre

Yeah ... not suggesting that it be 100% auction. Regular listing or auction choice.

[olubaba]

Originally Posted by Alaister

We want to intimately understand the value you guys gain from the Warrior for Hire section to make sure we do improve it and add more value.

I'd definitely be open to suggestions as to how you see us integrating with that section.

Congrats to Allen,

On Warriors for Hire Section, you have to thread carefully as most Warriors hire each other in a communal way. I believe you will be ok if your new workers will respect the ethics and communal spirit of the Warriors.

Congrats to you too

[sbucciarel]

Originally Posted by Alaister

We want to intimately understand the value you guys gain from the Warrior for Hire section to make sure we do improve it and add more value.

I'd definitely be open to suggestions as to how you see us integrating with that section.

Speaking for myself as both a buyer and a seller there, I hire from Warriors for Hire out of a desire to help another Warrior, if they have the skills that meet my needs. I also hire people from there who have top reputations on the forum. A relationship is already developed prior to hiring due to past WF communications. It's called building reputation. There's a certain amount of trust already established because we feel we "know" them.

Most of us are aware of the other outsourcing markets available and choose to hire from our community when possible.

As for my experience there being a seller, it was great. As an American provider, I don't care for marketplaces that feel like a third world yard sale. I'm not going to sell my services for peanuts. I had good success selling in Warriors for Hire without competing with the lowball prices of others.

[jerrywaxman]

Congratulations, Allen;
I have been a member of the forum for a few years, but only recently - like two days ago - began to notice the value of the life in the forum outside the WSOs. I hope future members of the forum do not make the same mistake that I made. Maybe if there was a forum digest newsletter every couple weeks, it might give WSO junkies a different perspective and incentive to participate in pertinent discussions.

[Wayne Wymore]

Thanks Matt

Looking forward to "Great Things" with the addition of the power of Freelancer.com to support the Warrior Forum. I appreciate your attitude of wanting to learn how to support Warriors in their efforts - shows why you have been so successful with Freelancer.com!

Thank You,
Wayne

[WillR]

I haven't had a chance to read through all the previous 9 pages so I do apologize if this has already been mentioned. Just wanted to share my thoughts.

I have spent a bit over $40,000 the last two years in WSO bumping fees alone. I saw this week the fee had been lowered from $40 down to $20 for both the listing and bumping of WSO's. I decided to test bumping a couple of my offers and they dropped down the page way faster than I have ever experienced before. In half a day they had completely dropped to the third page which is when you have the option of bumping again. This used to take at least 1.5-2 days to happen before.

So here is my feedback.

1. I understand since the announcement was only made this week that there is a lot of attention been given to the forum and so there would be more people launching and bumping offers this week than usual. But I still can't help but feel the lowering of the WSO fee will obviously attract more offers and more regular bumping which means my offers drop down the page faster and get less eyeballs on them. So this is not an attractive change to a vendor like me. Based on the results the other day, if things kept up like that, I probably wouldn't be bumping my offers very much anymore.

2. If you surveyed the top WSO vendors in this forum, which I hope are the ones you want to attract more of, I can almost guarantee they would agree that INCREASING the WSO fee would have been a much better option. I would rather pay more money and know that only quality products are getting launched around mine and I am getting decent eyeballs on my offer. But lowering the fee only sets to increase the amount of junk being launched and thus affects the overall reputation of the marketplace and ultimately means less organic traffic to our offers. The ONLY people who will be happy about a price drop like that are the ones who cannot afford to pay $40 to launch an offer... and let's face it. If someone can't afford $40 to launch their offer then they can't be too serious about things. They are the types of vendors we want to deter NOT attract.

3. At the moment there is a limit of (I think) 60 seconds between being able to report posts. I used to be a mod on this forum and gave up because it was just too annoying with the time restriction between reporting posts. If you want to encourage better user moderation then that limit needs to be looked at and dropped down to something more reasonable such as 15 seconds.

4. A suggestions forum that is actually looked at would be awesome. I remember Allen started one up about a year ago, it lasted only a few days before our suggestions were no longer being responded to. I recommend cranking up a suggestions forum and making sure it is something that is responded to each and every day as you'll get a ton of valuable information from your users. After all, if you can make your users happy then you have a place people want to hang out and recommend to others.

I hope that helps and best of luck with it all!

[stoltingmediagroup]

Originally Posted by WillR

I haven't had a chance to read through all the previous 9 pages so I do apologize if this has already been mentioned. Just wanted to share my thoughts.

You brought up all good points, and yes, I actually mentioned some similar things on the first page of this thread.

"In all honesty, I'm not so sure that lowering the prices on WSO's is a great move that will improve the quality of the forum. The $40 price point eliminates just about the right amount of crap being posted. I also imagine that with the new $20 lower fee, a WSO post will also disappear from the first page even faster than they already do. Not very attractive for advertisers. Just my 2 cents."

From there the discussion regarding these topics have been pretty active across the forum with many different points of view.

[Kurt]

I think the #1 change that should be made is to make Arnold's (stoltingmediagroup) song the official Warrior Forum theme song:

Get Happy And Motivated! - Watch This Video :) -...

[Anthony J Namata]

I just read about this partnership in my Freelancer back office last night and I was simply gobsmacked. Freelancer have been growing so rapidly, who would've imagined. Well done guys, let's all enjoy the benefits of being part of a GREAT team.

[Tim Dini]

Congratulations, Allen, and Thank You! You've been very helpful to me these past three years and I haven't thanked you enough. This shows clearly the value that Warrior Forum provides, and shows your commitment to continuing that value. I look forward to the many new opportunities Freelancer may bring to what is already the best online marketing community.

Thanks again, Allen!

Tim

[BookFixerFran]

Originally Posted by mattbarrie

Hello everyone!

This is Matt Barrie, Chief Executive of Freelancer.com.

I am pleased to announce that Warrior Forum has joined the Freelancer family.

We are excited and looking forward to working with you to better support the community.

Allen Says founded Warrior Forum in 1997 and I’ve personally watched the community grow to over 730,000 members, becoming the world’s largest Internet marketing forum.

We will be allocating substantial resources to further grow Warrior Forum! We will be dedicating engineers to build features and customer experience specialists to interact with the community in order to understand intimately what you like. They’ll be working closely with the moderators moving forward.

The most important thing, however, is that we listen to you- the community. We’ll be going through the suggestions section and would love to hear more about your ideas and feedback. I am really keen to hear from you!

Also please feel free to email me at matt@freelancer.com with any suggestions, ideas, and thoughts or just to touch base and introduce yourself.

Effective immediately we are making a few permanent improvements to pricing:
* All WSO listings will now be reduced from $40 to $20
* All current War Room members will have their 20 year membership extended to lifetime, immediately. Moving forward new memberships will be $20 per year.

Thank you for your support of Warrior Forum in the past and I look forward to working with you to take Warrior Forum to the next phase!

Regards,
Matt Barrie

I've been a member of Warrior Forum for years. Started off as a total newbie, spent most of my time learning, and I was just about ready to join the War Room. If I join NOW (like, within 24 hours) would I still be eligible for the lifetime membership?

Also, have you considered offering the lifetime membership for a limited time until, say, April 30 or maybe even just for a week? It might bring many who've been on the sidelines for a while into both Warrior and Freelancer and encourage them to become more active, as opposed to just looking and learning.

Thanks for considering this option!

Fran

[sbucciarel]

Originally Posted by WillR

I have spent a bit over $40,000 the last two years in WSO bumping fees alone. I saw this week the fee had been lowered from $40 down to $20 for both the listing and bumping of WSO's. I decided to test bumping a couple of my offers and they dropped down the page way faster than I have ever experienced before. In half a day they had completely dropped to the third page which is when you have the option of bumping again. This used to take at least 1.5-2 days to happen before.

I completely agree with all angles of this post. I agree that a $20 fee just increases the amount of junk offers to wade through and it diminishes the amount of eyes that people get for their advertising dollars on the front page.

I would not be happy with my offer moving off the front page within a half day. I launched a couple of $20 WSOs when it was that price before and I launched some $40 and the $40 WSOs were a huge improvement.

People say that scammers and low quality WSO producers can afford the higher fee so it doesn't really cut down on them, but that simply isn't true. You saw the difference in the spam levels when the WF took away the $10 sign-up fee ... like a spam free for all. When it was initiated the spam levels decreased a lot.

[adomainstar]

Congratulations Allen. I would love to see what's going to happen next.. Looking forward to the change!

[Bryan Zazz]

Originally Posted by WillR

I haven't had a chance to read through all the previous 9 pages so I do apologize if this has already been mentioned. Just wanted to share my thoughts.
I have spent a bit over $40,000 the last two years in WSO bumping fees alone. I saw this week the fee had been lowered from $40 down to $20 for both the listing and bumping of WSO's. I decided to test bumping a couple of my offers and they dropped down the page way faster than I have ever experienced before. In half a day they had completely dropped to the third page which is when you have the option of bumping again. This used to take at least 1.5-2 days to happen before.
So here is my feedback.
...

Great points WillR !

First, going through the past 9 pages is an interesting read, so if you have a few moments, go for it! Most are thanks to Allen, but some are more deep posts from old timers, which I found most interesting, and worth the read !!

Second, thanks for the bump stats. I guess you need to still wait a few more days/weeks for the things to settle, as the influx caused by the latest announcements may not be representative of things to come in the longer term.

Third, lowering WSO prices may not be best for those who can afford to pay $40k in bumps, but are good for the first-timers who want to launch their first WSO. I like to think it's always good to bring "new blood" in the WSO ecosystem. Then it's a Darwinian system: the better ones will float and thrive, junk (read "low value") will drown into the WSO abyss. But they had a chance. If they are smart and not give up, newcomers will learn from the experience of a first launch, improve on it, and try again with a better offer. It's the classic path to success: "winners fail until they succeed".

Else, if instead you increase WSO publishing price instead of lowering it, then most probably only fat cats with up-front deep pockets will be able to publish WSOs and sustain them through bumps. In other words WSO publishing becomes a "private club" where only those who've done it before enough times to learn how to do it well, what works and what doesn't, can thrive.
Such closed ecosystems are hostile to newcomers, grow slower, and are more vulnerable to being disrupted by outsiders (other more dynamic forums).

The fight for eyeballs has just increased, that's true. Obviously we will see newcomers publishing under-par WSOs. You can't hit winners from the crib ... need to learn to walk before you can run.
But for me this increase in competition means that it's now even more imperative to bring top-quality high-value stuff in WSO format. Because Warriors will have even more choice, so your WSO has to be twice as good to attract them, not half as good.

Change brings opportunity, don't complain about it (because "change" doesn't really care about complaints anyway), so embrace it (i.e. adapt) and thrive !

[kencalhn]

big changes are why putting all ones' eggs in one basket, any single site (like trying to make a living from ads/offers in a single site), is often unwise -- change happens, sites close/change/morph; diversification is important. fee structures can change, traffic/lead gen changes; that's why whether producing for microstock sites or coding sites or others, has never been part of my personal business plan; it's too risky to put your livelihood in the hands on any single site. or being a dedicated amazon affiliate only to have your state tax laws stop it, or doing solely offers within a single site for a living; none of that is safe imo.

because a business model that works with one set of numbers (lead costs/traffic sources/pricing/fees) may be non-workable under new "numbers". Just like i don't advertise on google anymore, since cpcs went from 2 to 6 per click; it's smart to diversify approaches.

[Mark Singletary]

One point I'd like to make that may be lost on some about the WSO fees.

Many, if not most, of the WSOs include income claims or promises in one way or the other.

If we are worried that $40 is too much for a newbie to post an WSO I think we are deluding ourselves and perpetuating the fraud/scam/unethical/illegal aspects of advertising there.

For example, just a quick look at the first couple pages shows these claims and/or promises:

$10k month
$1600 in 3 minutes
$1000s while you sleep
Easy $100 a day
$17,000 in 3 days
6 Figure Empire
Making 5 figures
Daily Millions
$1912 in 40 days
Easy $400 a day
$16,223.23 in 90 days
$2991 in 4.5 days
$65, 926.69 in affiliate income
$30,000+ every month
$220 daily
$4,225 monthly
$1,000 a day
Full time income
$100-300 in 60 days
$350,000 on the WF
$100,000 a month
$10-$25 daily

Anyone else see the disconnect when worrying about the poor newbies that are posting claims such as the above not being able to afford the listing fee?

Mark

[Kay King]

top WSO vendors

Top as in...what? Great marketers? Or marketers who make their income running WSOs?

There's no right or wrong - just the theory and methods of the new owners and what they want the WSO section to become.

$40 was fine with me - $20 is fine with me. I haven't run WSOs for years and mine were alway time and quantity limited.

Personally, I'd love to see $20 WSOs that run for a limited time (2-4 weeks). Let them churn and burn - the cream will rise to the top.

kay

[Bryan Zazz]

Originally Posted by Mark Singletary

One point I'd like to make that may be lost on some about the WSO fees.
Many, if not most, of the WSOs include income claims or promises in one way or the other.
If we are worried that $40 is too much for a newbie to post an WSO I think we are deluding ourselves and perpetuating the fraud/scam/unethical/illegal aspects of advertising there.
...

Obviously these guys could afford the WSO cost.

But you make another great point: when all posts start to look-alike, what will make a warrior click on one link and not another? Isn't the point is to be different and unique from the crowd of offers, in order to get a warrior to read further into the thread? For this you need a distinct competitive advantage, not to sound like the other 20 posts who promise the same.

I would not click any of those, probably because I started to develop a blind-spot for unrealistic-sounding claims. Past burns taught me that "When it sounds too good to be true..."

Also "Make $17,000 in 3 days" ... "but I can't afford the $40 WSO publishing cost" has a slight credibility gap problem, which is actually funny. Better first practice what you teach, obviously ...
... and make most of your money from your method, not from WSO-ing your method

[sbucciarel]

Originally Posted by Mark Singletary

One point I'd like to make that may be lost on some about the WSO fees.

Many, if not most, of the WSOs include income claims or promises in one way or the other.

If we are worried that $40 is too much for a newbie to post an WSO I think we are deluding ourselves and perpetuating the fraud/scam/unethical/illegal aspects of advertising there.

For example, just a quick look at the first couple pages shows these claims and/or promises:

$10k month
$1600 in 3 minutes
$1000s while you sleep
Easy $100 a day
$17,000 in 3 days
6 Figure Empire
Making 5 figures
Daily Millions
$1912 in 40 days
Easy $400 a day
$16,223.23 in 90 days
$2991 in 4.5 days
$65, 926.69 in affiliate income
$30,000+ every month
$220 daily
$4,225 monthly
$1,000 a day
Full time income
$100-300 in 60 days
$350,000 on the WF
$100,000 a month
$10-$25 daily

Anyone else see the disconnect when worrying about the poor newbies that are posting claims such as the above not being able to afford the listing fee?

Mark

I personally don't buy WSOs with income claims, but I don't feel in the least bit sorry for newbies who couldn't afford $40 ... they learned how to sell mostly worthless dreams to dreamers and IMO do more damage to the reputation of Internet Marketers as a whole than they're worth.

[Andyhenry]

Originally Posted by Bryan Zazz

Also "Make $17,000 in 3 days" ... "but I can't afford the $40 WSO publishing cost" has a slight credibility gap problem, which is actually funny.

I thought that statements like these were actually illegal.

I'm pretty sure it was statements just like that which got Frank Kern in deep trouble before wasn't it?

When did it become ok to make earnings claims?

[faisalmaximus]

Expecting to have more opportunities, thanks for taking such a nice initiative to make the forum richer.

[Advanpro]

Originally Posted by Mark Singletary

One point I'd like to make that may be lost on some about the WSO fees.

Many, if not most, of the WSOs include income claims or promises in one way or the other.

If we are worried that $40 is too much for a newbie to post an WSO I think we are deluding ourselves and perpetuating the fraud/scam/unethical/illegal aspects of advertising there.

For example, just a quick look at the first couple pages shows these claims and/or promises:

$10k month
$1600 in 3 minutes
$1000s while you sleep
Easy $100 a day
$17,000 in 3 days
6 Figure Empire
Making 5 figures
Daily Millions
$1912 in 40 days
Easy $400 a day
$16,223.23 in 90 days
$2991 in 4.5 days
$65, 926.69 in affiliate income
$30,000+ every month
$220 daily
$4,225 monthly
$1,000 a day
Full time income
$100-300 in 60 days
$350,000 on the WF
$100,000 a month
$10-$25 daily

Anyone else see the disconnect when worrying about the poor newbies that are posting claims such as the above not being able to afford the listing fee?

Mark

Absolutely !!! What a load of bollocks, lets reduce the fees then these con artists can peddle more of the crap. Put the price up and get rid of these idiots. I see so many clearly fake income claims yet I get banned for asking questions. If people are ging to make these claims lets have verified proof....

[Fran_C]

Congratulations, Allen Says and Matt Barrie ... I'm looking forward to good things to come!
Fran

[WillR]

Originally Posted by Kay King

Top as in...what? Great marketers? Or marketers who make their income running WSOs?

There's no right or wrong - just the theory and methods of the new owners and what they want the WSO section to become.

$40 was fine with me - $20 is fine with me. I haven't run WSOs for years and mine were alway time and quantity limited.

Personally, I'd love to see $20 WSOs that run for a limited time (2-4 weeks). Let them churn and burn - the cream will rise to the top.

kay

Top, as in those WSO vendors who have offers that are running for months and months. You can only scam people so long. If you have a rubbish offer then the truth will come out quite quickly after people have started purchasing it. If you have offers that stand the test of time then it's because the offers are genuine and actually helping people. The latter are the ones we want to encourage.

You don't encourage quality by dropping the listing fee. It is ONLY going to attract more of the rubbish offers. The top WSO vendors would still have been bumping at $40 because they can afford to do so because people are actually buying, using, and liking their products. So a change like this only helps the bottom feeders who can't afford the $40 fee because no one is buying their product.. usually for very good reason.

[nik0]

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

I would not be happy with my offer moving off the front page within a half day. I launched a couple of $20 WSOs when it was that price before and I launched some $40 and the $40 WSOs were a huge improvement.

I remember that 1.5 year ago when you published a WSO for $40,- that the next day it was on PAGE FIVE.

Not even close to half a day!

Nowadays it slowed down quite a bit, probably the reason why Allen sold it for relatively cheap, things changed.

Some times I'm even 4-5 days at page one in warrior classifieds section, that was unthinkable 1+ year ago.

[GlenH]

Originally Posted by Andyhenry

I thought that statements like these were actually illegal.

I'm pretty sure it was statements just like that which got Frank Kern in deep trouble before wasn't it?

When did it become ok to make earnings claims?

I also thought it was illegal.

But you only have to take a quick scan through the WSO's to see the the tactic is alive and well.

I'd be more than happy to see income claims banned from all WSO titles

[nik0]

Suggestion for the freelancer team btw:

"Make an option that allows us to schedule the WSO's to be bumped at a certain time /day"

I live in Thailand, so to grab people who come from work or in the early evening hours at home in the US, I need to bump my threads somewhere between 3am and 7am. Mostly I sleep during those hours.

As a result I get few clients from the US, if there was a schedule function I would spend more per month as I often also forget to bump threads due to lazyness.

[WillR]

Originally Posted by nik0

I remember that 1.5 year ago when you published a WSO for $40,- that the next day it was on PAGE FIVE.

Well I've spent $40,000+ on WSO bumps the last 3 years and I can confidently tell you it was never like that for me. It always took a few days to drop down to page 3. That is based on my results from over 1,000 bumps I have done.

[Royalrevenue]

Is the WF sold out now?

[Rus Sells]

There is no correlation between the quality of an offer and the price to list the offer guys.

[annrose]

Great news for a great forum. I don't post on here a lot, but I come here often and get advice and read different people's ideas and opinions, so I am happy to hear it will be continuing. And already being a member of the warroom, it's great to hear the changes with that.

I wish you great things Allen, although you already have that, so I will wish you happiness.

Ann

[TrafficFlow]

I was thinking of becoming a War Room Member for life for less than $40 and now I see they want $20 a year. I may sign up for a year, but not sure I will renew year after year. So I think the 20 year membership was a better deal. Why not offer an option, either $20 a year or $40 for 20 years.

[PatriciaS]

Yes, I'd like to hear more too.

[Toby Henderson]

sounds great!!!

[cypherslock]

If you're complaining that the War Room is $20 a year (consider it's less than $2 a month)...might I suggest you take a look at some OTHER forums that are similar to the War room (for $97 a month), then rethink you're position. For the price you won't find anything better. Think Value, not cost.

[Terry Crim]

Put the WSO fee at $200 a pop and $50 for bumping with a limit to bumping.
For those that want higher placement starting at $500 and going up from there your WSO will be stickied for a set time of 1 to 3 days.

If you are seriously making a living selling to this site then that should not phase you one bit. If the claims of income and profits are totally bogus then it makes complete sense people are complaining over $20 or $40 dollar fee.

Out in the REAL world you can't get rates like that for length of sales letters you see in WSO's. Put the fees more in line with real world prices, this $20 dollar nonsense is crazy.

[DoctorMicro]

Grats Allen, here's to a smooth merger with happy days ahead for you and my fellow members.

Mike

[strongvpn]

I would like to congratulate Warriorforum, this is a new beginning, a great beginning！

[strongvpn]

Freelancer.com is a great site, I often use its services, I am very satisfied for it.
:p
Thank you & Best regards

Shawn

[Mou]

Originally Posted by NetMan

I also advertise in this forum and I totally agree with what Susan is suggesting here, except I would leave to the seller the option to either direct sell OR/AND put it on auction

Andre

As an advertiser for this forum I totally agree with this

~Mou

[nik0]

Originally Posted by WillR

Well I've spent $40,000+ on WSO bumps the last 3 years and I can confidently tell you it was never like that for me. It always took a few days to drop down to page 3. That is based on my results from over 1,000 bumps I have done.

Guess I must've been real unlucky at the time I checked.

For me it resulted in staying away from the WSO section and solely using Classifieds and Warriors for hire.

Now with the lower bump fee and about a day (or perhaps half a day) on the front page I'm back again.

[BuyGoodSite]

Yes it will be good But all the BUMP fee are same as before $20 nothing change!

[winnersmc]

Congrats Allen and freelancer.com, I am looking forward to seeing how this merger works out, and what changes are instore for the Warriors Forum. I am a firm believer in 'If it isn't broke, don't fix it'. I only hope that the huge resources that freelancer.com say they are going to add to the Warrior Forum will actually add to this already Super Duper Forum, and not detract from it. As mentioned in previous threads, cheaper pricing could possibly lead to an invasion of brain dead trolls, I guess we will have to wait and see.

Best Regards,
Kieth.
(winnersmc)

[extrememan]

This is a great idea. 2 great communities combining as 1. Everyone wins!

[Paul M]

Well this is a surprise. Was a member here for years and thought Allen would run it forever :-)

-Paul

[arvind031989]

Originally Posted by JeffMitchell

I think it is a great idea. 2 great communities with 1 goal is going to be killer for everyone involved.

Thanks,

Jeff Mitchell

it very nice i am always work on freelancer now i work on that fourm to promote my business and my explane my view on every topic

[arvind031989]

i am very happy to see that thing

[koz]

Congractulations Allen. SEO is a big aspect with today's commerce. Generally this is a skill that is learned outside of formal education and also the jobs most freelancers do is also a learned skill outside of most professional fields (at least few years back).

They are fields that can complement each other allowing those who work online to be able to get work, and also for those in the IM field to be able to get staffing contractors around the world.

I look forward to see the progression with this aquisition.

[Rich Mann]

I'm a bit in shock at the moment. I'm just now hearing this news. I actually joined the forum in 1999 but something happened to my account during the switchover to the newer format.

Allen, all I can say is what great a ride it's been. I know I speak for many thousands of members here who cut their IM teeth in this forum and have gone on to changing their financial lives for the better and forever from the guidance and support provided in this forum.

Wishing you all the best in the next phase of your journey.

Hopefully Freelancer will quickly understand the spirit that lives in this forum and respect what has evolved here. There's been many members dedicated to helping with the evolution. Some who are no longer with us. We've become a family.

With that said, I'm looking forward to the next phase of the remarkable transition here at the Warrior Forum.

Rich